What do you think about the “If you don’t like it don’t consume it” argument in reference to media?

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Should Kenneth Branagh refrain from making Shakespeare movies, because Lawrence Olivier already did it? Should we ignore the Humphrey Bogart version of The Maltese Falcon because it had already been filmed twice before?

If some sculptor thinks he can do a Pieta better than Michaelangelo, he will probably fail. But we will never know unless he tries.

If you like scathing reviews, may I recommend British food critic Jay Rayner, a perennial acid-tongued skeptic who doesn’t mince his words and has a wonderfully creative way with them, especially when he hates something.

The Man Who Ate the World: In Search of the Perfect Dinner contains a mix of both good and bad as Rayner travels the world in search of the perfect dinner. OTOH, the small volume My Dining Hell: Twenty Ways to Have a Lousy Night Out presents Rayner at his most mercilessly caustic!

The problem is it goes hand in hand with a lot of whats wrong with Hollywood today. I mean…who’s great fucking idea was it to say “Lets divorce Han Solo, turn his kid evil, kill him and make Luke a grumpy hermit.”? Ok, it happens. I get it.

“Now lets kill Indiana Jones kid, divorce him and make him miserable while propping up this girl boss and make her tell everyone how wonderful she is.” That is a GREAT idea.

So, no. I don’t have to watch it. and apparently a lot of people agreed.

I’ll tell you what argument does chap my hide.

“Who is this made for? Who asked for this??” Well then don’t watch it!!! That argument is usually made for side projects like say (Im making this up) a GI Joe Baroness origin story.

People are saying that about the Agatha Harkness Disney plus show. A lot of people asked for it!! She was very popular when Wandavision came out!

What’s wrong with that?

I suppose if you’re really offended you can walk out of the movie or ask your co-worker to stop. I generally don’t like most of the pop charts, and I have refused to return to a restaurant because their muzak is torture and too loud to boot. But I live in a sea of music I’m not fond of. It hasn’t hurt me yet, and I avoid listening to it on my own time.

I’m not sure there’s much of a difference. You can potentially enjoy both, and you’re turning them both into waste in the end. The effort that went into creating McDonald’s was pretty huge, and it tells us something about the perspective of its creators if we think about it. We can learn similar things about the owners of Crown Burger and Petra and the Beast if we think about their motivations.

In every work of art, the perspective of the viewer is just as important as the creator. That’s why I don’t really look down on folks who only listen to top-40 style music. From their perspective, it’s just as good or better than what I’m listening to.

When every top 40 song is about drag racing, or surfing*, or clubbing or getting crunk or about my WAP…and throw on top a complete lack of real instruments and autotune.

NO. It sucks.

*I’m making a point that 50’s music was generally held in low esteem because of the homogenousness of it. But at least they were real bands.

That said, I ran across a woman who does YT shorts. She lives a 40’s-50’s lifestyle apparently and the hook to her videos is she’ll put on a real record from the 1910s-1930s that says stuff like:

“I got nipples on my titties as big as my thumb, I got something between my legs that will make a dead man …” Bleeped out as she does a spit take and runs to the records player to cover it up.

They’re hilarious.

Copying paintings is absolutely something you do when you are learning or studying, yes.

Well, yes. Some absolutely brilliant artworks, novels, etc. have been made by revisiting clichéd or stereotypical subjects. With a twist of genius.

Homogenousness? The era that was birthing rock and roll and modern jazz and some of the great musicals of our time? But still also had swing bands?

Okay.

To the point of the op: of course there is a place to complain about how popular mainstream media often repeats the same formula until it is beaten to death. It’s just usually a lazy, narcissistic, and self congratulatory argument.

I submit that it is easier now than ever to find great variety to consume. Of course pop culture is unavoidable and is rarely the most creative or interesting fare, and perhaps it is more the same pop culture across the world than ever before? But just because the creative and weird new stuff isn’t shoved into your mouth does not mean that it is not there. The advice to turn the channel when you don’t like something isn’t just a way to ask you to stop criticizing what someone else is enjoying: it’s your best action to rapidly find something completely different even though it is not being spooned into your mouth.

Artists copy and influence each other all the time. It’s why we have, say, Impressionism, and not just “that style that only Claud Monet uses.”

Lucille Bogan was a national treasure. Shave 'em dry!!!

For the most part, I’m very much in the “If you don’t like it, don’t consume it” camp.

But I do understand some of the psychology of finding lazy sequels or spinoffs distasteful.

For one thing, it’s nice to be able to say you’re a fan of X. Or to recommend people see X.
Without needing to add "…but just the first two movies!

I would argue that the scathing review is, in and of itself a freestanding genre of writing. Also, did that same guy write the script for “The Menu” ? Because it seems eerily familiar. :smiley:

Ha! Yeah, on second reading, I was definitely getting The Menu vibes.