What do you think that the best measure of a civilization's advancement would be?

Personally, I think that if you took the number of digits pi was calculated to, divided by the number of years it took to get that number from scratch (ie the number of years it took the computer to calculate that result), that would just give you some number that you could compair to your own number (your pi ratio); that would be the best way to determine the civilization of a culture.

This would be a useful number for two reasons: a large number would show that a culture had a lot of excess cash to throw around on expensive machines, it would show taht a culture had enough experts (and therefore many scientists working in many other fields that are much more important) to waste some on the calculation of something that is all but useless (really who needs pi to a gazzillion digits).

What do you think?

The best measure of a civilization’s advancement is how they treat cats, kids, and crazy people.

Whether or not they still think Digital Watches are a Pretty Neat Idea.

Considerate behaviour towards the weak, less gifted, very young, very old, mentally disturbed as well as those afflicted with being bad human beings.
Egalitarianism. Tolerance.
Not being aggressive beyond strict self-defense. Aiming at making friends of enemies.
A long-term outlook.

How many Future Techs they’ve researched.

There are different kinds of advancement. Some ideas:

Sum of scientific knowledge

Magnitude and types of technological achievement

Respect shown by the powerful toward the less-powerful

Average citizen's life-span  (compared to others of the same species, of course)

Extent of territory or resources controlled

Rate of acquisition of NEW territory or resources

Eagerness of outsiders to join the civilization

Population growth rate

Percentage of average citizen's hours available for leisure activities

Artistic achievement   (good luck figuring out a way to measure this)

Length of time the civilization has lasted

Eagerness of outsiders to model their own civilizations after the one in question

How many grams of protein per person per day are preseent in the average family’s daily diet.

The wedge against starvation has been a benchmark since the getgo.

The best measure is the distance between the minimum wage and the maximum wage (CEO salary and bonuses, not owner profit)

The closer those two numbers, the better and more stable the society.

The farther apart, the more likely a revolution is in progress.

Happiness of the people.

The percentage of personal time and resources spent on worshiping a deity. The degree to which religious laws govern the people.

The moon landings show a pretty clear approximation of our tech level.
Well, our tech level 30 years ago, but in the grand scope of things it’s just like yesterday.

total garbage. I think if the mythical Tristania were to expand and conquer all of it’s neighbors, until we had absorbed all of the world under our iron fist, with a healthy budget towards eugenics, it would have to be said that we were the most advanced and successful civilization.

While lno’s makes me smile, I think Bosda, as usual, nailed it.

Much of what folks here are asking is really politically biased, and has little to do with the real world.

back to lurking, soon to post no more

Without a doubt, the single best indicator of a civilization’s advancement is the amount that superstition has been eliminated from that civilization.

When irrational beliefs in God, spoon-bending, astrology and the like are finally vanquished we’ll be getting somewhere.

No kidding! Those evil little killing machines are a plague on the environment. 55 million birds killed by cats every year in Britain alone. Terrible.

Just say that the social welfare function is proportional to the geometric mean of income.

Cultural advancement? Scientific advancement? Military advancement? Civil advancement? As [Civ3 (and to a leser extent civ2) attests (the game lno was referencing), there’s more than one aspect of an empire that needs to be monitored to ensure superiority.

I’d say that one measure of a civilization’s advancement is how free people are to hold harmless “irrational” beliefs (or even harmful ones, so long as they’re harmful in mind only).

How much that little guy in the top right corner is whining about needing funding=how advanced we are.

Another Civ3 player checking in.