Maybe it’s just me, but did you just state “Biden is for decriminalizing illegal border crossings” and then link to a graphic that clearly shows Biden “oppose[s] eliminating criminal border crossing penalties”
This is why these conversations never go anywhere. There’s no accountability shown for blatantly incorrect statements made nor responsibility taken for having made them.
Once again answering the question asked over and over in various ways, “What does Middle America see in Donald Trump?”
We keep wanting to know, refusing to accept that it’s been answered, and has been staring us right in the face.
Ok, your right on that one. I misread the question and response. My apology.
The site had Biden listed as “unclear” on several categories.
Personally, I am a pro-natalist Democrat who highly values the third part of safe, legal, and rare.
However, that is NOT how typical Democrats think. The Democratic birth rate is, from my POV, pitiful. As my last link documents, it is you GOP guys who fill up the highways, while Democrats fret in their dorm rooms about alleged over-population.
And, most decades, Democrats, closely linked to labor unions. favor protecting American workers from low-wage immigrants. Bernie Sanders in 2007:
Before the Tea Party, Republicans liked immigration, whether as matter of principle, or to help businesses find compliant low wage workers, you can decide. Google:
Trump golf undocumented
for examples. It’s true that the parties have reversed on this, but if the GOP loses this year (as economic conditions indicate they probably will), we may see a decline of populism with a return to where the GOP is the party of employers.
So basically we’ve established that driving factors for middle America Trump support include strong jingoism and a view of what Democrats/liberals want and believe that owes far more to right-wing propaganda than to reality.
Having been better informed about Biden’s positions on key policy issues that obviously matter to you greatly, has your mind been changed in any way?
That’s a majority of the people who voted for Trump. The minority (smart ones) are for “conservative judges” and “tax cut”
Part of the problem is that we get multiple answers, from the useful and insightful, to frankly absurd ones like “they get to be their true racist selves under Trump.”
I mean, I’m not saying that a lot of middle America isn’t somewhat racist, albeit in a more casual/ignorant/unexposed kind of way, but nor do I think there’s a massive hotbed of people who are… actively racist and looking to stick it to people of color. And even at that, it assumes that their desire to be racist trumps their desire to better their own lot in life and that of their communities, and that’s a VERY hard sell for me.
I think at best, middle America views the problems of people of color as something that takes place in large urban areas, are things that happen to *other *people with different skin colors and cultures. And largely, those things are viewed as self-inflicted through poor spending habits, promiscuity, and a host of other behaviors that middle America does not agree with or condone. So it’s terribly easy for them to write that whole group off as having done it to themselves and not want to “throw good money after bad” in social programs or other stuff like that, especially like it seems like their tax money is getting siphoned out of their pockets and to those *other *people to solve problems middle America perceives as **self inflicted **.
If that’s directly racist, then so be it. But I think it’s disingenuous and not helpful to imply that they’re all a bunch of low-rent Exalted Cyclopses out in the boonies whose purpose in life is to screw people of color. The reality is a lot more complicated than that.
Yes and no. Middle America is plagued with the same afflictions that plague inner cities and poor suburbs: substance abuse, under employment, poor health and poor access to healthcare, poor education and poor access to good education. They suffer from the same afflictions. The difference seems to be that poor minorities don’t blame or try to punish Middle America for their problems. Whereas…
In my opinion, it isn’t what they see, it’s what they don’t see.
He is not a polished career politician
But you clearly ascribed to Biden a wish to abolish ICE - “Biden is for decriminalizing illegal border crossings, abolishing ICE”
And yet, your site says “UNCLEAR/NO RESPONSE”
Where are you getting your information that Biden is for “abolishing ICE”?
Nor a polished turd, despite the strenuous efforts of Fox News.
No. It’s what they refuse to see. Which is a different thing entirely.
Another, on another thread I discussed a Harvard professor who wants to ban homeschooling.
Trump of course will work to stop this.
Will Biden?
Democrats get alot of support from public school unions and I’m guessing most of the people who want to ban homeschooling are on the left.
So does a person have to vote Trump in order to stop the government banning homeschooling?
How about before bring up new topics, you answer the questions posed to you regarding your previous statements on what Biden’s position is on certain issues?
Trump, of course, will tweet nonsense about it. Betsy Devos, will continue her reign of incompetence.
Jill Biden, being an experienced educator, will advise her husband from a position of informed and educated opinion.
Maybe stop guessing. It hasn’t gone well for you thus far.
Let’s get down to what this is really all about. Recently, plastic straws have been banned by many municipalities and counties. Does a person have to vote for Trump in order to stop the government banning plastic drinking straws? And who is tired of flushing toilets 10-15 times per use? And since you refuse to provide answers to the question we’ve already asked you, do you think we should be asking China?
I get what you are saying, I just don’t understand how they get that perception.
They do get WIC, they do get Medicaid and food stamps, along with utility assistance. Their children are on the meal assistance programs in schools.
Do they just see the assistance that they get as a reasonable assistance to someone down on their luck, and what other receive to be a handout siphoning off their tax dollars?
And sure, not everyone in rural or suburban areas is on assistance, just as not everyone in a city is on assistance. So do the working ruralites think as poorly about their neighbor using their EBT card as they do when it is used by an urbanite?
If they are against all assistance for the poor, at least they are consistent. But I have the feeling that they feel that not only are they superior to people who live in cities, but that their poor are superior to the poor in a city as well.
This isn’t that deep. Magats are people who have been radicalized by social media. We are experiencing a world where extreme rightwing talking points are being mainstreamed and fed to boomers through Facebook & Youtube. These people were already basically time travelers who were completely ignorant to how the Internet works, so they were easy targets for propaganda campaigns. Fox News is a noble paragon of truth compared to what boomers are absorbing on the internet these days.
Check out these replies to Liz Cheney’s uncharacteristically decent tweet about Fauci and weep.
Spend an evening scrolling through the comments section of a websites like Drudge, OAN, Infowars or Brietbart. Just go to YouTube and let the algorithms take you down some really dark paths and you will be shocked.
I was ignorant to all this until my own boomer parents fell victim to the cult. They began sending me bizarre videos and articles daily, as if they were in a panic after waking up to the Truth and they needed to spread the world to other sheeple. This is truly dark stuff- the federal government is run by pedophiless, your food & water is being poisoned, Israel secretly controls the world and they are gearing up to launch nukes at the Vatican, the works. QAnon is basically gospel. I can’t even have a phone conversation with them anymore, because it always leads back to the delirious propaganda they are being fed. Of course, they believe COVID-19 is a vast conspiracy, and they threw away all their masks and gloves weeks ago and have given up on social distancing. They mock me for pushing back on their nonsense, so I don’t bother. Like typical boomers, they are convinced they know everything, despite not having a clue about anything.
My parents are white working class. My mom was a waitress, my dad worked construction & sold used cars on the side. They are semi-retired now, but they never stop complaining about their lots in life despite living in middle class comfort. Both immigrants, but they’ve been here long enough that they resent other immigrants. They are Trump’s base. Sad, but true, and there’s nothing I can do about it. They are so deep in the cult that if Trump one day tweeted to everyone that people should disown their non-MAGA family members, I would probably never hear from them again.
These people number in the tens of millions. Whites without college degrees alone outnumber ALL minorities in this country. And they’re not just in rural backwaters.
Wrong. As repeatedly pointed out to you in that thread, you have misunderstood what the professor actually proposed.
As another poster explained, the professor advocated a “presumptive ban” on homeschooling in the same way that there exists a “presumptive ban” on driving a car. Namely, by default people aren’t allowed to do it until they’ve met certain criteria indicating that they’re qualified to do it.
Homeschooling would be “banned” under this proposal only in the sense that driving a car is “banned”.
Hey hey hey. Letting facts get in the way of an ill informed conversation is exactly what “real Americans” disdain about the coastal elite.