Let’s don’t miss the forest for the trees. This isn’t really about what is or isn’t too cushy.
What it is about is that what the term liberal elite refers to is those set(s) of people who think to tell others what to think and how to better themselves, simply because they think they know better.
What we’ve seen in this thread (a shit ton of it) is that yes we know better so listen to us, believe us.
We have a whole lot of talking down to the poor unwashed masses instead of an educating that could possibly go on. You guys take this criticism and start behaving like children wanting to lay blame elsewhere, ANYWHERE else. The GOP this, Republicans that.
If I have said one thing it’s that for the most part what the Democrats want comes from a good place in their hearts. You guys want change, you guys want to help.
Your single biggest problem is that it is too fractured, everyone wants to help everyone and everything. It costs too much and when the rubber hits the road you have no real way of paying for all the help that you wish to give.
The liberal elites don’t give 2 shits about hurting others to help those that they deem to need the help.
Make no mistake, anytime you take from Peter to pay Paul, Peter gets hurt in some form or fashion but you guys make distinctions on WHO is going to get hurt all the time.
Hint: It’s always those other guys (not the liberal elite themselves)
For all of these, is my main focus of needing bipartisan support for ANYTHING that greatly affects our UNION. With no one willing to work together, we will just stay fractured and keep trying to blame and/or hurt the OTHER SIDE.
The complete disregard of someone else’s ideas, contributions, or thoughts.
None of those were talking points. I don’t watch Fox or listen to Hannity or Rush, or whomever is on the air these days.
Nah, those came from me, the relevant middle of the roader willing to vote for whomever I see that benefits not only me, but the country.
And you, amongst others, just disregard us. It’s a mistake.
I find it somewhat surprising that almost none of the conservatives posting here “watch Fox or listen to Hannity or Rush, or whomever is on the air these days”-how is it they manage to stay on the air if their target audience doesn’t watch, listen or read them?
Their target audience is conservatives. I guess it is just a coincidence that the conservatives on this particular board, almost every one of them, don’t listen, watch or read the most popular conservative venues…and yet manage to push the same points.
I’m not going to worry about whether specific posters here are reluctant to admit that they watch or listen to the specific shit-stirrers in question, but will note that the target audience for them reaches way down into the sewer, to the level of troglodytes and deplorables that wouldn’t last three days here for one reason or another or another. It’s actually almost possibly sort of halfway credible that the conservatives who manage to survive here are actually above the bar for literally all mainstream sources of conservative thought.
Harder then to not disregard when the Republicans in power are ignoring even what they claimed before to be, they pretended all this time to be fiscally responsible.
[Del]Un-[/del]Social media explains a lot of that disconnection, I still remember one conservative poster that in the past claimed to be more independent minded since he never listened to Rush Limbaugh on the radio or watched FOX… and then later, in another thread, he cited and linked to a Rush article posted in his web site… :smack:
If you think you’ve seen a shit-ton of it in this thread, I will posit that you haven’t really been paying attention. What I’ve maintained is that the whole concept of the “liberal elite” is a right-wing fabrication (specifically, a Republican fabrication) as a means of trying to discredit what is essentially an evidence-based approach to policy-making. What I’ve seen in this thread from some on the right (not from you, that I can recall, but some) are assertions along the lines of “I don’t need no stinkin’ ‘studies’ to tell me what I already know” whereas the left tends to rely much more on the evidence of academic research. Tell me: climate change denial, evolution denial in favor of clinging to religion, opposition to abortion for religious reasons and baseless unscientific assertions about “when human life begins”, fabricated false “news” from Newsmax, Breitbart, and Fox News, not to mention lunatic sites like InfoWars – which side of the political spectrum is all this nonsense firmly associated with? You know the answer as well as I do. Which side of the political spectrum believed that Medicare would be the end of freedom in America (look up “Operation Coffee Cup”) and that Obamacare would kill your grandmother? How about the fact that conservative idol Donald J. Trump has so far uttered 13,435 lies since Inauguration Day, and most of the right-wing acolytes who elected him and are ready to do so again believe every single one of them?
The major and certainly financially biggest program that some Democrats advocate for is universal health care. How is this a matter of “costs too much” when in fact UHC systems in the entire rest of the world cost, in their totality, a mere fraction of what the US already pays for health care per capita through the combination of both public and private spending? This is a very complex issue but conservatives in general tend to greatly over-inflate the costs by willfully ignoring the huge potential efficiencies in an integrated UHC system. Other than that, Dems may want to incrementally improve social services and the social safety net. What is the cost of that compared to the monetary and social costs of America’s bursting-at-the-seams overcrowded prison system featuring the highest incarceration rate in the civilized world?
On your last quoted sentence, I’d say that maybe liberals don’t give two shits about “hurting” billionaires by taxing them a little higher so that more people can get a decent meal and maybe their kids get an opportunity for a useful education and a decent productive life. I’d say that’s fair tradeoff, and probably a better one than condemning all taxes as “theft” because of the delusion that every cent you earn within the public infrastructure of a civilized and technological society is for some reason all incontrovertibly your own, even if it totals millions or billions or hundreds of billions of dollars.
I believe their audience to be those conservatives that have gone hard right, and/or are also willing to swallow just about anything they are told without much thought to ensuring it’s truth.
Regardless, it’s this same “ohh shiny” disregard of anyone else’s ideas that do contribute to the fracturing of the nation. Czarcasm, be proud! Pronounce proudly that you know better, know your enemy and then watch yourself (or side) fall.
I say again, THIS attitude is exactly why we got Trump as president.
Oppressed poor? I don’t think liberal policies oppress the poor per say, I think that some of the policies that they want to do good, just keep the poor in place, keep them reliant on the government for their well being. Suppress might be a better word
You might be waiting awhile. I am not here to educate you on failed policies, merely to point out that it has happened, could happen, people perceive it as true so you may need to do something about it.
But again, this is a thread about liberal elites.
All of you guys defending the term, terminology or it being a term at all, are ignoring the fact that other people believe it to be true.
The disregard is pretty damn close to why the term exists at all.
If we agree with you it is evidence in your favor, and if we disagree with you it is evidence in your favor. I suppose that if someone were to mention that they owned a raven you would crow that that it was evidence in your favor. :rolleyes:
This is a perfect demonstration of why “liberal elite” is a conservative debate tactic, not a real thing. You can’t even bring one example of what you’re declaring to be true, and anyone you calls your bluff is an elitist.
According to Conservatives, the “Liberal Elite” consists of over-educated ivory tower intellectuals, politicians, pundits, activists and other leaders and the people who support them. They mostly work in fields such as media, law, politics, the arts, tech, rabble rousing and “other”. They eschew fields such as law enforcement, the military, first respondering, working with their hands or profitable business. They support policies that are pro-environment, pro-equal rights, pro-wealth redistribution. They are often portrayed as “reverse racists”, favoring policies that actively harm whites (particularly straight, white, financially successful men). They are also portrayed as corrupt hypocrites, hiding behind a veneer of altruism and social consciousness while funneling off money and favors for their own personal benefit.