What exactly is The Daily Show effect?

And for this I mean anything involving The Colbert Report as well, since they’re essentially a combined one-hour program.

John Stewart pokes fun at idiocies in politics, and is especially biting on vacuous, moronic and hypocritical political language. His main, never-ending target seems to be the media, and the sensationalist and often misleading way they cover stories. Most of all, he makes us laugh at these idiots.

Because it’s entertaining, does this make more people (esp. college-aged) follow politics than would normally? Do John and Stephen actually influence political perceptions? They probably can’t really boost anyone (Colbert ‘Bump’ notwithstanding), but I can easily see them having a negative effect on certain political and media characters by repeated mockery.

They’re certainly no Oprah, but just how powerful are these two shows?

I think they are quite important for the younger set. There’s lots of precedence.
The effect of the late night shows like Leno and Letterman has always been enormous.
Right now Leno is using every headline as the opening for an old age joke at McCain’s expense. A few hundred more of those before the election, and everyone will assume he’s on life support.

No, I really don’t think so. As a general rule, people watch The Daily Show and Colbert because they follow politics and like the shows’ take on it. I don’t think it works the other way around.

They provide a refreshing dose of perspective and cynicism, and a bent take on something we’re often told to take very seriously.

They’re watched by about a million people a night, if I remember correctly. While there are some surveys that show TDS viewers are more politically knowledgeable than average, I don’t know how many people are really getting their news from the shows or how many minds could really be changed. But if you do well on these shows you can certainly get a bump in support from their audience. My experience is that the two shows have small but intensely dedicated fan bases.

Jokes about McCain’s age? Edgy.

I think so. I’m not college aged and I do read newspapers and watch (what passes for) news, and I’ve definitely learned more about some political issues from his show than others. Both shows have also sent me to Google more than a few times to learn more about a person or a topic discussed that I was only passingly familiar with before.

While I realize that it’s ultimately entertainment, I absolutely unapologetically consider it more of a news show than most news shows. Case in point: I’ll never forget 26 September 2006 (though I had to research the date). That night on CNN Larry King did his umpteenth Anna Nicole show (this was shortly after Daniel died and was already far from Larry’s first show on the topic). Anderson Cooper did something only slightly less vacuous and on FOX it was same old same old O’Reilly and Hannity nonsense. Jon Stewart meanwhile was interviewing Pervez-fucking-Musharraf!. Not only was he interviewing Musharraf- his first question was to ask him where Osama bin Laden was! (Even real journalists pussyfooted around that subject.)
Now while he obviously didn’t expect Pervez to say "He’s in a cave at these coordinates, it took balls. Also, the rest of the interview had some humor, but it was not filmed for laughs- it was about real issues. He even took Pervez to task somewhat for not doing more to aid in the destruction of al Qaeda.

Nothing like the balls Colbert showed at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner, however. There could have been no higher a compliment to Colbert’s speaking truth to power than the hiring of Rich “He’s still alive?” Little and his 30 years out of date Sunshine Senior Cruise worthy material the next year. Stewart and Colbert have more intelligence and more balls than any journalist alive.

I think they’ve definitely brightened the spotlight on our imbecilic media (even semi sacred cows like Anderson Cooper [who’s really not as much above Larry King and Nancy Grace as people give him credit for- he’s cuter than he is deep]). They’ve also done some fantastic bonafide news coverage: when Cheney said in the 2004 election that he’d never met John Edwards because he was so seldom in the Senate, it was The Daily Show that opened the next night with footage of them sitting next to each other in the Senate.

Both shows also call shenanigans on things that should have shenanigans called.
Their montages are inspired as well. Rosa Parks’s comes to mind. She truly was an American icon, but she was also almost evicted from her apartment two years before her death for non payment of rent (she wasn’t indigent but she was mentally incompetent due to age and health problems and her estate was being mismanaged) and during those problems no politician seemed to give a damn and even zillionaire entertainers let it slide, but of course when she died it was NECROPHILICON 2005 as everybody from Bush to Delay (they had by far the best coverage of his investigation/indictment incidentally) to the media to the entertainment community humped cameras covering themselves in ashes as the media, which had ignored her problems in recent years, broke into the opening number of Evita ('Requiem aeterna Doña Rosita… requiem aeterna…"). The “legitimate” news shows would show things like Tom Delay [practically Rosa’s adopted son, y’know] comparing his plight to her’s 50 years before (which he I swear to God did) and Bush and other right wingers and airheaded lefties pandering in their designer sack cloth as if these s.o.b.s were being sincere, while The Daily Show had the balls (and imho the class) to run a montage of these attention whores using the funeral for their own agendas and to be the centers of attention and called them on it.*

Another example was when Stewart showed a right wing she-imbecile discussing how gays should not be foster parents due to their higher incidences of molesting children and violence and the like, all things that stem from Paul Cameron bullshit writings (if you’re not familiar just google him or do a SDMB search) and which is just objectively and easily provably wrong. Stewart stopped the tape and explained why this is discredited rubbish and made some comment like “and of course the anchors at CNN could see right through this as well”. When he returned to the footage it was of the anchors saying “Well, she makes some interesting points, but I’m not sure I agree…” and that was it. She didn’t correct the woman, she didn’t say “you’re absolutely wrong”, obviously wasn’t informed in the least on the matter even though it was the subject of the interview and she should have done her homework, etc…

A demonstrable effect of TDS & COLBERT incidentally is their affect on book sales. Oprah has the power to elevate a book to the #1 spot of course, but almost always novels or self-help stuff. TDS & Colbert aren’t far behind her, however, as they are two of the only people on TV who routinely interview authors and unlike Oprah it’s usually authors of well researched “serious” non-fiction. Whenever either’s had an author on, look at the Amazon sales ranks the next day- it will always be many places higher. (What’s especially great about their author interviews is that it’s always clear that they have either actually read the book or at very least read a thorough treatment of it.)

Things like that are what I love about TDS & COLBERT. They call “bullshit” at things real news shows should do but don’t (supposedly in the interest of objectivity but I think it has a lot more to do with cowardice) is remarkable. As far as it’s effect on college age students, I think it is as close to advocating critical thinking as TV news coverage comes. If Jonathan Swift were alive today he’d be a Daily Show correspondent.

*My own personal favorite Rosa Parks NECROPHILICON moment was all the damned cartoons showing her riding the front of a bus to heaven. In all of them either St. Peter or God or some Angel was the bus driver or met her at the desk. In all of them St. Peter or God or some Angel was white.

No shit. I’d like to see Jay Leno survive breaking his legs and arms, nearly drowning after ditching his plane, then being beaten practically to death by a mob of Vietnamese and then tortured over and over again for an entire year while being held prisoner.

I liked your post overall, Sampiro, but I would hope that, in retrospect, you would reconsider your footnote. I clicked your link and didn’t find at all what you described. Didn’t see God in any of them, and I looked at all 12 pages. All the “angels” were bus drivers, and all the whites were shown in rather servile positions relative to her in every case except where they were shown as racists. (St. Peter would be Jewish, by the way.)

“What we see depends mainly on what we look for.” — John Lubbock

Isn’t God the bus driver in the very first cartoon?

I can only speak for my household, but we’ve got two thirtysomethings and a 15 year old who were never, ever, remotely slightly interested in politics until becoming viewers of The Daily Show. (And a preschooler who thinks “The Funny Guy” (aka, Colbert) is her favorite uncle.) I don’t read papers or watch “real” news, but I’ll often open a thread here or look something up on CNN.com or BBCnews online because Stewart or Colbert talked about it on their show and I want to know more. Now with the primaries going on, it’s gotten so bad that my husband has frackin’ CNN on for the ridiculous political theater several hours a day. Thanks a lot, Jon! :rolleyes:

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Not at all my point. I think jokes about McCain’s age are wimpy, there are lots more things important things about McCain that cry out for a satirical slice, but Leno appears to be intent on the appearance of satire without the substance. Acrid, biting jokes about Obama’s ears, for instance. The kind of raw, edgy political humor you might find in Mad magazine. Or Krokodil.*

*(State conrolled “humor” magazine of the Soviet Union, about as funny as testicular leposy…)

In general your posts are funny, but this time you really dropped the ball.

Daniel

Thank you for sharing that.

Yeah, but it was reported that Bill Clinton got a blowjob. D’ja hear about this? It’s true. Yeah, apparently <lame punchline>.

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You mean on page 4? I just saw it as an afterlife guide. But if it is God, then God is her personal chauffeur — hardly any sort of backhanded tribute. It seems to me that there just doesn’t exist in that group of cartoons any sort of bad implication from angels and whatnot being white. If any had been black, one could level the charge that the cartoonists drawing them carried segregation forward to heaven. I think it’s completely interpretive in nature. And I have no reason to believe that any of the cartoonists was any more bigotted than you or me or Sampiro.

Gaaah! Whoosharama! Good 'un, Dan’l!

Daly appears to hit the internet stories that the news avoids. The news stories are nearly all the same. Daly will point out the silly contradictions.

What makes you say that? I started watching the show only because it was funny. That said, I do like the shows’ take on politics. It’s about the only political show that doesn’t make me cringe and the only one I watch. I wish the interviews were longer though. They are too shallow for my taste. I also remember being disappointed by the clear bias towards Obama and against Clinton…until I found out she had declined to go on the show. I still don’t know why not… :confused:

Well said.

It’s interesting how the Daily Show can still be quite funny without knowing anything about politics; I think that’s where a lot of the societal and media satire really help in drawing in viewers. A non-politico may find that a third is funny, a third is going over his head, and a third consists of lame bombs that every comedian (no matter how funny) throws out there. If you’re sticking around for the funny stuff, might as well educate yourself on the stuff going over your head. Most of the time, I follow politics to some degree, but I find that I pay a lot more attention when I’m regularly watching Stewart and Colbert; I have to actively look stuff up to stay in the loop.

I wonder how many of us freaks there are… :slight_smile: