Obviously due to recent events of the past decade or so the term Nazi has seen a massive resurgence into the popular lexicon. Quite recently I see people want to “Ban Nazis” on twitter, facebook, and other social media. The problem though comes to the fact almost nobody can agree what Nazi’s actually are.
So since I am curious to see where people fall, I’ll post a range of groups of people I’ve seen called Nazi’s and were calling for banning from social media, from extremely specific to extremely broad, and you choose the category you believe properly falls into the context of “Nazi”. Note due to how the poll works, picking an option means all the above options are also included in your definition.
I’ve never seen anyone seeking to “ban Nazis” on social media. Strange. Nazi has been used for quite a while to mean zealot. It could be anything from Soup Nazi to Grammar Nazi. But other than that, the definition of Nazi means a National Socialist. Anyone who would relate this term to “just any conservative in general” is woefully ignorant.
No, conservatives in general are just wrong. And I have seen calls to ban nazis on social media, specifically Twitter. Personally I disagree, I think right-wingers should show us the colour of their laces in no uncertain terms.
As for the poll, it’s Trump appeasers and above that count as far as I’m concerned. I’m well aware that they aren’t members of the political party that ruled Germany and took a shot at ruling the rest of us between 1933-1945. People who point out that Steve Bannon, say, doesn’t belong to any such party think they’re clever, but they aren’t.
But rest assured that when people refer to redhats and such as Nazis, they aren’t accusing them of being zealots concerning some unrelated idea like soup. They, in fact we, are putting them in the same sack as those who displayed similar behaviour in Europe in the thirties and forties. You don’t need to be a polyglot to translate “Lugenpresse” into English and come up with “lying press” or, if you like, Fake News! Trump isn’t putting people into concentration camps or accusing them of bringing crime and disease to your pristine shores because he doesn’t want to serve them soup.
I’d generally have voted 1, though I do not believe you have to have actually been in Germany during or before the war to be one. I’m sure they still take members, or would if they were still official.
But 2 really is the better choice. You don’t actually have to have a swastika tattoo or flag to be a “nazi”. If you espouse the same ideas as real Nazis, want a race war or want minorities killed or otherwise persecuted, use the same language to attack, follow the same hateful ideology, congratulations, you’re a nazi. Own it. If Hilter were alive, he’s call you a pal.
They and you are wrong. Trump isn’t a Nazi. It’s laughable to compare a Trump supporter with a group who orchestrated the mass murder of millions in extermination camps. But go ahead and keep making that comparison if it makes you feel better politically.
He might be an awful president and an even worse person, but he isn’t a Nazi. Some of his supporters might be, but not every person wearing a MAGA hat. You may want to reconsider how you are using the term Nazi if you want to be taken seriously in political discourse, and if you’d wish to avoid offending people who have actually suffered at the hands of real Nazis.
I would add world-wide and not limit it just to active politicians and party officers/active members within the National border or just those of that ancestry. I would also include those today following the same ideology much as the current odd-balls following the “Bull Moose” platform or (to a lesser degree) more old-school-revolutionary Tea Party types.
I don’t know how to answer the poll. But if there’s a march of 100 people, and 10 of them are self-described Nazis, and the other 90 join the march knowing full well that they are joining 10 self-described Nazis; then we have a march of 100 Nazis.
I voted “white supremacist”, but consider “redhats” to be a proper subset of that. To repeat - I think impossible to support Trump enough to be called a redhat without also being a white supremacist. The message of the red hat is very very explicitly about putting the white man back on top and stomping everyone else back down.
Nazi kind of means Nazi. There are already definitions for terms like White Supremacists, Racist and even Trump Supporter. Unless they are National Socialists who are actually Nazi’s or Nazi wannabes then I use the terms for those other things as, well, those other things.
There are quite a few at the opposite end of the political structure that also falls into this definition. Anyone who answers any point in a debate or discussion with sound bite chants or just shouts down the questioner qualifies.
It’s very easy to compare them with those who went along with the nazis, waving their little swastika flags and cheering on those who send people to the camps.
Incorrect. You put that hat on, you’re declaring yourself a supporter of ethic scapegoating, putting children in concentration camps, and cozying up to dictators while shitting on allied democratic nations. Supporting fascist policies because the fascist policy-makers gave you a tax cut or hug the flag and give your warm fuzzies is nevertheless supporting fascist policies.
Thanks for your permission, though. I was on tenterhooks as to whether or not you’d be okay with it.
You seem to be the only one complaining, and your complaints do not concern me.
I’m going to take the defense that English is a contextual language. It depends on what you are talking about. To be perfectly correct, Darren has it. However, in the heat of the moment, I might call one of the managers at work a Nazi and be right on the money about how she treats her employees. Or, it could be a comical/sly usage such as the Soup Nazi, or the drunken begger in Las Vegas who was referred to as Little Hitler for the way he policed his begging spot.
The current political climate has us all overstating our cases for why the other guy is a bad hat. Nazi is an easy way to define a white supremacist in the current climate and it is what might choose in an argument. However, I prefer “moron” or “thug” instead.
I’m with you fellers, the poll needs to be multiple choice.
Regarding conservatives, which “brand(s)” of conservative do you mean? Like “liberals” conservatives are not a monolithic block. Do you wish to target those who want a smaller government but don’t really care what lavatory you use or who you marry or share your bed with, or those who think those things should all be legislated but also think we should be doing more to help the poor and the mentally ill? Hawks or doves? What about the folks who want the private sector kicked out of the realm of law enforcement and all prison returned to government control and government kicked out of healthcare?
It’s an interesting idea for a poll, but it does need some refinement