No I was talking about the British North American colonies. I was pointing out the fact that a huge amount of the economy of the north American colonies (even those that weren’t based on slavery) was dedicated to supplying the British Caribbean slave plantations rather than Britain directly. This continued after independence.
I think the problem is Brazil and Mexico never industrialized like Canada, Australia or the US.
Also in the the US a lot of the industrializing is in the rust belt cities not much in the south base on plentation economy.
Though again that’s also symptom not cause, to a degree at least. The industrial revolution in Europe and North America was driven by the large middle class in those countries. Though there is a cause and effect in there as it then lead to an even larger middle class, who drove demand for products and led to more industrialization.
That whole cycle is hard to get started when you still have an overwhelmingly poor, rural population, and only a tiny elite buying luxury goods (and foreign powers very happy to keep all the manufacturing local and only rely on places like Brazil and Mexico for raw materials)
Keep in mind lot of the countries in South America and central America lack middle class and working class people moving to those countries under colonial period where under colonial period in the US, Australia and Canada had lot of middle class and working class people moving there in that time line.
Also the businesses and jobs paid better wages in US, Australia and Canada unlike South America and Central America.
Well, being a middle class Argentinian myself, I beg to differ with your first affirmation, we have an (ever-declining, but somehow still ticking) 15-20 million-person middle class.
First world countries didn’t force Argentina to be hopelessly corrupt, didn’t force them to have the Dirty War in the 70s, didn’t force them to attack the Falklands.
" Your nation, which a few years ago had the second-largest gold reserves in the world, is bankrupt. A country which grew up and grew rich on beef is rationing it!
La Prensa, one of the few newspapers which dares to oppose Peronism, has been silenced. And so have all other reasonable voices. I’ll tell you what’s new, Buenos Aires!"
“She’s been out doing what we just talked about, example
Gave us back our businesses, got the English out”
This is one of the most ignorant things ever written in the SDMB
sure. Disappearing your own people is Europe’s fault.
What wars can you elaborate on this?
Still, no one forced them to do it. You can’t blame the CIA for everything.
Individual people, Argentinians, not “first world nations”, not the CIA, tortured and murdered and disappeared their own countrymen. And some enjoyed it.
At some point, they could have said no. Eventually, they did, but far too late.
What is the point of the country at one time being the richest countries in world if the economy is base off plantation economy and mining and lack being industrialized?
Because I was quoting Evita, to lighten up the mood.
I suppose “Che’s” point was, they had time to industrialize. They had time to join the 20th century (the character is speaking in the post war years of 1946 ish). But, in his opinion, they would rather play polo. Their leaders were in it for themselves. Robbing the coffers, driving the country to bankruptcy. But they themselves were OK.
“But where in the world can people hide their little piece of heaven? Thank god for Switzerland!”
(no I don’t take my history lessons from Evita, I just think some quotes fit.)
Individual people that gained power thanks to the active and enthusiastic support from the U.S.
Do you think that the 1976 coup would’ve a chance in hell of happening without the support of the U.S. Embassy?
I think we’re thinking on very different timescales as to when the “First World” countries happened to Argentina.
Some people make reference to wars and coups in Argentina saying that is main reason for lot of corruption and poverty. What wars and coups?
Was the US trying to take over Argentina was there some kind of war?
I don’t think there was any war or any invasion in Brazil by the US.
The so-called Dirty War refers to the ‘war on terrorism’ waged against internal dissidents, mostly on the Left, in Argentina both before and after the military coup in 1976 which resulted in rule by the military junta until 1983.
I feel compelled to point out that slaves are people. The difference between a slave and non-slave economy has more to do with the relationship of labour to its product than anything else. Following the immigrant generation, there’s no inherent reason that the descendants of people forcibly brought to the colonies wouldn’t be just as good for the country as those whose ancestors emigrated voluntarily. The reasons are more the institutional structures set up by those in control.
The US government declared war on the left in Argentina and the same in Brazil?
What military coup in Argentina by who?