Plenty of scandals in the last 8 years. Just been ignored.
Can you name one?
Is a scandal that has been ignored still a scandal? Nobody cares.
There are no scandals and Obama has kept us out of war. Because bombing six countries and having special forces fighting in almost as many is not “war”. It’s not even a police action! It’s basically… nothing.
Likewise, when the executive branch has huge screwups several times, it’s not scandal, it’s just government.
And Republicans should remind voters that this is actually how the liberal base thinks.
True enough. Teapot Dome – scandal. Watergate – scandal. Iran-Contra – scandal. Iranian Hostage Crisis – blunder, not scandal. Appointing James Watt to the Department of the Interior – not scandal. Clumsy rollout of ACA – not scandal.
If scandal is liimited to lawbreaking and corruption, then true, the Obama administration has been scandal free. But the reason the media portrayed these problems as scandals was the President’s response- “I didn’t know nuthin’ why you lookin’ at me? I found out about the same way everyone else did, in the paper.” made it into one. The media thought it was the dumbest thing they’d ever heard, and if the President wants to avoid responsibility, it must be a scandal.
Otherwise he’d own it. The buck does stop with him, after all.
So let’s compromise and say no BIG scandals, no BIG wars. Just routine cockups and lots of bombing and special operations, more than any administration since WWII if we’re going by number of countries.
Two things: 1) Bush wasn’t a lawyer. 2) the law is a “real occupation,” and a legitimate background for an executive or legislator.
How’s that workin’ out for you?
- Tax cuts that benefit the rich.
- Spending cuts that hurt the poor.
- Deluded Republicans (working class people that think the Republicans are the party that really represents their interests) will blame Obame for anything that goes wrong, and things will go wrong if my first two points come to pass.
Toto, I don’t think we’re in 2005 anymore. Like I said above, this crew isn’t going to be deterred by whether the Dems buy in, if they don’t need Dem votes.
Part of this, I think, is that the Republicans have realized they can say or do any damn thing they want to, without any major pushback from the media. ‘Both sides do it’ is still the MSM motto, and that’s all the cover the Republicans need.
“Conservatism by its nature” ceased having more than coincidental relation to conservatism as practiced by the GOP and its fellow travelers quite some time ago.
Liberalism is by its nature exactly the same, differing only on definitions of “bad” and “good.” So?
This thread is funny.
My predictions if the Pubs win.
#1. Dems/liberals will act as though the world is going to end.
#2. Pubs/conservatives will act like they have a mandate.
#3. The pundits will provoke as much outrage as possible.
#4. The debt will keep increasing, bringing us that much closer to becoming Greece.
#5. Nothing skill really change. The politicians and pundits win and we lose by becoming even more partisan and hateful.
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Gun running to Mexico qualifies for one. For more Google can be your friend on this. I assume you understand how to use.
What is outrageous to one, is a yawn to another. I acknowledge that. However if you retort the current administration is scandal free your bias and blind beyond credibility.
None of these bolded things happened the last time the Republicans had the presidency, House and Senate simultaneously.
No, I think liberals would take two bad laws being passed if they could pass three good laws when they had the chance. Conservatives would rather pass zero good laws if it meant they could stop a bad law.
Now I recognize that conservatives don’t behave like conservatives a lot, but the filibuster isn’t going anywhere. It’s an essential tool to make sure that it’s hard to pass laws without bipartisan consensus. If the Democrats want to end it, that’s on them, and if they do, Republicans should make the pay dearly at the earliest opportunity. Just repeal every damn thing they ever did since 1920 and make them build it all again from scratch four years later.
All it takes is one liberal justice to die and be replaced by a Republican and Roe will be overturned. Republicans have been wanting to repeal the minimum wage for eons, they will jump at their next chance, which is why they should be never given one. Ditto Social Security, they’ll grandfather people in of a certain age but younger workers will be pushed out and the program would be history when the last recipient dies. The Trump Wall will likely never come to pass, but it is a centerpiece of his campaign.
Roe will never be overturned. It’s a binding precedent. What will happen though is that the decisions since then which made it harder to regulate abortion after the first trimester will be weakened.
THe minimum wage will not be repealed and Republicans have not actually wanted to repeal it. They just don’t want to raise it.
On SS, Republicans have wanted to privatize it, but got burned so won’t be going there again anytime soon. What’s more likely is raising the retirement age and cutting benefits for wealthier retirees. Democrats might be able to get a raise in the income cap if they buy in a little.
The wall, geez, I don’t know, like the biometric entry/exit systems, they’ve passed laws directing them to be implemented like six times but it never actually happens and no one demands to know why. Congress are tricky bitches, they pass all kinds of stuff into law that they don’t actually want implemented.
Things are more extreme now. The TP has made “crazy” fashionable in the Republican party, so now everyone wants to say something worse than the guy before. Remember that the current string of GOP Congresses has been fighting to be more extreme than the last. This won’t change in 2016 or 2018. Do you really want to take that chance? “Unprecedented” is only a temporary label
yeah, but Republicans also like winning and aren’t in the habit of doing things that they know are likely to cause them to lose the next election.
Democrats have this weird thing where they assume their window is short so start rushing to pass legislation, which of course creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. Republicans think they can hold their gains and so try pretty hard to make sure they do in fact hold their gains. I predict(add it to my thread!) that if a Republican wins the White House and they keep the Senate, that the first 100 days will be much less productive than average. There’s really not a whole lot they want to do immediately. The Republicans have a lot of priorities(tax reform, repeal ACA, entitlement reform, immigration reform), but none of those are things they feel the need to do right the hell now.
Maybe the RNC doesn’t have the habit, but so many of their candidates DO. Remember “legitimate rape?” Remember all the thinly coded snide racial remarks and anti-immigrant-at-all-costs rhetoric? They simply can’t help themselves from throwing red meat to their ageing white guy base, and at the national level they’re losing more than they gain.
Maybe their old white guy candidates will die off enough to make room for new blood.