You guys don’t understand. According to Bush: “you have a better hand when more people are playing your same cards.”
Get it now?
Wait: what?
You guys don’t understand. According to Bush: “you have a better hand when more people are playing your same cards.”
Get it now?
Wait: what?
So you’re saying that staying in Iraq isn’t a mistake? From the time of the invasion to the capture of Saddam, Bush’s ratings were rather high, weren’t they? So if he’d got out then, we’d all still be saying what a wonderful job he’d done.
Some Mod can close the thread after this definitive contribution. ![]()
Bush single-handedly saved our asses from The Second Coming
Bushie - he’s doing a heckuva job. Now if only he’ll do something to stop me worrying about Godzilla attacks.
If by war, you mean Iraq, then I agree. GWB had some lukewarm support now and then, but certainly no longer.
RedFury, this is GD. Here in GD you made a statement "There is not a single country (other than the USA) where there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq. " Now, a zillion cites and quotes saying that the Iraq war was generally unpopular worldwide only prove that -*that the war was generally unpopular worldwide * . To which I think we all agree. But so far, you haven’t shown that "There is not a *single country * (other than the USA) where there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq. ". NOte that asking you to prove your assertion that "There is not a *single country * (other than the USA) where there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq. " is hwaaaayy different from me making a claim that “in your world were people cheering all over the place in favor of the invasion and thinking the rest of the world was cheering along with them”.
In fact, dudes here have proved you wrong. Australia for instance as **Age Quod Agis. ** and other have pointed out. The problem is that you made a specific claim “not a single country”, instead of a general statement. Your *specific claim * was not only unprovable by you, but simply false. OTOH, no one has a problem with the general claim that the invasion of Iraw was unpopular.
So, instead of posting a zillion cites that prove your *general assertion * right (and which we all agree with), why not just post and concede your *specific statement * was incorrect?
elucidator. “So Furry Red asserts one hundred percent opposition, and you guys prove conclusively that he was wrong! wrong! wrong! and its only about 95%? Have I got that about right?”- Exactly. This is GD. We live to pick nits like that.
95% does not = 100% “Mostly dead”
Other than than thanking tons you for letting me know my whereabouts (I get lost a lot on The Internets, thought I was at The Playboy Mansion) that remains a true statement as shown by the gazillion cites provided. If it sticks in your craw, try some Coors.
In fact, in your frothing zeal to prove me wrong all you’ve done is prove yourself wrong: note that the Quod’s quote was readily rebutted by John Mace with the following cite: Australia
Might want to chill a bit bit dude, and read what your’re responding to. We do that in GD you know.
Afrraid I’m going to need a cite for the above claim. How do you you like them apples?
Must be just me then, but you appear to be in a bit of a lather yourself.
:::shrug:::
Because as the facts show, it most certainly isn’t amongst rational people:
What I find even more interesting in that poll is how many people would’ve been against the war even if the UNSC had sanctioned it.
I’m not sure if that’s good or bad. I have to assume that they really don’t mean “under any circumstances”.
BTW, that poll does put Australia at > 50% support, although just barely. ![]()
Just like you, John, to bother downloading the Zip File. Then again, I’d expect no less from you 
Having said that, caveat emptor: Only 33% of Australians supported an American invasion wihthout UNSC authorization. Again, you might remember a similarity with American public opinion up until Bush’s bluff was called.
No, I just clicked on the summary-- I think it was called “press release”. I was too lazy to deal with the zip file.
Well, this is all academic. Not even Americans support the war anymore. I would say it had to be one of the worst policy decisions this country has made in my lifetime, if not the worst. I literally cried this morning (no exageration) reading a news article about the deaths over there.
From that cite: "After initial opposition to war plans, *support for the U.S.-led action increased to a majority * during the early phases of the invasion which began in March 2003. " Italics mine. Thus, even though it was only for a period- there was "a single country (other than the USA) where there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq. "
And then here:
http://www.gallup-international.com/download/GIA%20press%20release%20Iraq%20Survey%202003.pdf
“Apart from the USA only in Australia the majority of the population (53%) think that their county should support possible military action”. (Romanai and the UK were very close, support being the plurality). And, note that poll was taken of just 41 countries- there’s around 200 of them. So- can you show what the poll results were in the other 160 nations? Are you sure about Saint Kitts and Nevis? How about Azerbaijan? Bahamas?
Thus, you are wrong- Australia did support the invasion by a majority, thus “there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq” . And, although it is true that 39 other nations didn’t* -we really don;t know enough about them to assume "There is not a single country (other than the USA) where there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq. "
*some were close, and with several choices given a plurality does equal general support.
Nibbled to death by ducks, eh, Red?
Original post I defended and fully cited:
bolding/italics mine.
My and col_10022’s contention stands pristine.
Hard of hearing are we? Conditional support as per your own cite:
Colorful effects all mine.
Since there NEVER WAS UN APPROVAL for the invasion, the approval becomes totally meaningless as that was a NECESSARY condition to those polled – drum roll , please --in AUSTRALIA.
Naw…water off my back is more like it 
Sorry to hear, John, but trust me you’re not the only one. Not that it should make you feel any better, but know that there are plenty of us out there that share similar feelings.
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If that’s alright coming from a straight, bald old dude.
Except that Australia still had a majority support for the war right after the invasion, and clearly there was no UN sanction.
Thus, “There is not a single country (other than the USA) where there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq.”= wrong. (since you like color)
And, how about those other 160 nations not even polled? Can you show there was no support there?
True, and I conceded as much. I did not and do not support the Invasion of Iraq, myself.
Methinks this is what kindergarten was like.
The phrase, as originally written (meaning pre-invasion), stands as true now as it did when originally written.
Here’s an article – colorful chart included – that might help clear-up your cluttered thinking on this matter.
A REVIEW OF WORLDWIDE POPULAR SUPPORT (or lack of it) FOR WAR ON IRAQ
Have fun checking out Australia’s position.
TTFN
“Ground control to Major John…”
Very nice. For one poll, taken in January 2003. However, other polls (cited above), taken at later times show differently. The Newsweek poll showed a Majority supported the war in Australia after March but before May, that is just after the invasion started.
Now, if you had said “There is not a single country- of 1/4 of those polled- where there was a majority that supported the invasion of Iraq as *a unilateral action * as of Jan 2003.” then you’d be right. But since you have no data at all on 3/4s of the worlds nations, and at least one nation- Australia did supprt the Invasion for a time- you’re wrong.
Look, your statement was overbroad and over-generalistic. Just admit it, and stop what appears to be weaseling.
Geeez! And all this time I’ve been labouring under the wrong impression that it was 'luc that was "easily distracted.
I’d rather die first. Sword in hand and all that of course.
BTW, got a mirror handy?
I have no idea what you’re talking about. 
Thanks, Tom.