I think the OP resents Israel because all his base is belong to them
Nice timing, too. Right before Shabbat.
You know what the response is going to be for that, right? “The Holocaust didn’t happen durrrrr.” :rolleyes:
I think it was Desi Arnez’s introduction of the two-camera film system for television.
5…4…
Indeed, there is still a fatwa against him.
LALALALALALALALALALALALALA!
Bah. It was the designated hitter rule. Everyone knows that.
Thats the way it works isnt it - one evil leads to another evil. And good leads to more good.
All your Kibbutz are belong to us.
Israel has been able to defend itself only because of the full fledged support that it has from the US no matter what it does.
In the current conflict, while I may agree that the kidnapping of two IDF soldiers was not correct, the retaliation exhibited by Israel was vastly disproportinate in comparison and leads one to believe that it was used more as a pretext to accomplish what Israel had already planned.
The creation of US is a very different story than Israel’s. The former was a gradual process of people coming and settling in another land and eventually coming together to form a country. Israel on the other hand was created less than 60 years ago. This land had Arabs living in it for more than 1200 years. Within a span of 30 years, the British and then the UN ended up creating the country of Israel and now with the covert support of the US, this country has the strongest military strength in their part of the world.
IMO, this issue can never be resolved, not because there IS no solution but because a permanent solution is not in the interests of the politicians on either side of the fence.
And slaughtering damn near all the previous residents in their path. You forgot that part.
Well, given it’s history I think you can plausibly argue that creating Israel where it is was a mistake. Giving the Jews a nation carved out of the US or Canada, say, would have turned out better I think.
I certainly don’t think it was “worst mistake made in the 20th century”; look at the competition.
what Israel should be thinking of (if they wanna exist in the Middle-East for some more generations) is to seek friendship, not only to USA, but to the nations that are their neighbors
They tried that back in 1948 and look what it got them.
As for the OP:
Seinfeld. Obviously, the greatest mistake was the Seinfeld show.
But, wait… Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew.
I see it all coming together now.
The mission of the SDMB is fighting ignorance, not using it as a club.
Israel has attempted to seek friendship, it has achieved that with Egypt and Jordan. It attempted it with all its neighbors, but was met with the Three Noes and renewed calls for genocide.
But please, don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Wrong. Read Leonard Slater’s book The Pledge, if you’re interested.
Good Gods, what does it take for this to be forumalted honestly? The retalition was for roughly a month of rocket attacks directed at Israeli citizens, and a military incursion into Israeli territory and an attack upon the Israeli military.
As stated in other threads, this was also being planned as a contingency for years as Hezbollah continued to build up a supply of weapons and dig themselves in. Israel had even stopped overflights of Lebanon and simply guarded its border until Hezbollah attacked in October of 2000, and kidnapped IDF soldiers.
Planning on what to do when/if you are attacked is hardly planning on it and using that attack as a pretext. :rolleyes:
Why be dishonest? Why set up this silly strawman so you can have an easy opponent to fight again?
So you ignore the genocide of the Native Americans… why?
And Jews. And there was no nation-state of Palestine. It was Turkish, British, and then Israeli/Egyptian/Jordanian.
Actually, immigration of Jews to that area was much more than 30 years in the making. And, “covert” support?
Are you using a different dictionary than the rest of us?
Like Finnagain said, that’s not true. The US didn’t give Israel any large amount of foreign military aid until 1973, in part because the Soviets had been arming most of its neighbors since the 50s, (and in fact, the US had an arms embargo against Israel during the Independence War) and while Israel and the US have been allies since 1949, the US doesn’t blindly support Israel. The US has criticized Israel over the Suez Canal incident, the annexation of the Golan, Israel’s settlement policy, etc. There’s not blind support.
I have some problems myself with the Israeli response, but that’s a different issue, and one that’s been debated up and down in various threads.
Israel was also a gradual process of people coming and settling in another land and coming together to form a country. The First Aliyah (the first large scale modern Jewish immigration to Ottoman Palestine) started in 1882. And Jewish immigrants have been coming to Israel since then. The British didn’t “create” Israel. In fact, the British, starting in 1939, tried to stop Jewish immigration to what would become Israel, and the British did their best to stop Israel from gaining independence. Israel first had to fight a war against Britain, and then after Britain left and the UN recognized Israel’s independence, against the nations of the Arab world that invaded it.
And remember, the settlement of the US also wasn’t on empty land. The US dispossesed and killed people who had been living there for 10,000, not just 1200. There were a number of regrettable incidents in both the settlement of the US and Israel, but that doesn’t mean that either country doesn’t deserve to exist now.
It’s just hard, because there’s a lot of mistrust and resentment built up on both sides, and a permanent solution will require both sides making some pretty hard sacrifices. But again, that’s outside the scope of this debate.
You are perfectly free to call the poster a troll in the Pit.
You are also free to report the thread or the poster on the grounds that the poster is, indeed, trolling.
You are not free to make open calls to have a thread moved while declaring your intention to call the poster a troll.
Avoid this behavior in this Forum in the future.
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It’s ‘…all his base ARE belong to them.’ Speak correct broken English or don’t speak it at all! 
Not really true. It is a question in constant circulation for a number of regions. To take Israel’s closest analogue, the former apartheid South Africa; the world wisely and correctly decided that nation was too great a crime to exist, in the form it held.
There are other examples: Recently, East Timor. Should there be a seperatist Basque state? Tamil? Tibet? The question is widespread and a legitimate debate.
Well obviously this is a question on which YMMV, with arguments to be made for either case. One option is the constant and unrelenting application of high level force on the Israelis. But again the more sensible option is that which South Africa was persuaded to adopt: Enfranchising the subjugated persons. Observing the success of that development, what is there to suggest that success would not be replicated?
That said, WildfireMM**, you have not provided an actual Great Debate. Your rant is simply a series of unsupported emotional claims, unsupported by a presentation of facts or a logical analysis.
As you submitted it, it really is simply a rant such as we generally see in the BBQ Pit.
I do not know whether you intended a debate or a rant, so I am going to give you a second chance to figure it out. I am closing this thread. If you wanted to rant, feel free to open a new thread in the Pit. If you wanted a genuine debate, look around at any of the other threads in this Forum, (there are already several dealing with Israel on the front page and I noticed that you have posted to at least one of them), take the time to see how an actual debate position is formed, using supportable facts (such as can be verified by links to news reports or reference sources) and logical deductions, and make another attempt.
This turkey is done.
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