What I don’t understand is why people who aren’t members of the privileged classes support Trump and his agenda

I don’t mean to nitpick you specifically, but I’ve heard this phrase a thousand times. It always only means economic interest while neglecting emotional interest.

Trumpers - and really, most people in general - derive an immense amount of dopamine and pleasure from seeing "justice prevail’ and “the good guys beating the bad guys.” When Democrats say, “You’re voting against your own self-interest when you go for Trump,” the D’s usually only mean things like income equality, environmentalism, workplace safety, taxes, etc. They’re completing neglecting the dopamine/pleasure aspect.

People are not robots who are motivated only by practical gain.

Someone who votes for Trump is probably someone who is voting FOR their own interest - their mental well-being and their mental interest. They get much more peace of mind, and release from stress or anger, in a world where the “bad guys” are getting owned than one in which the good guys are getting owned, even if the latter is one that would hit their pocketbook harder.

Many liberals think that Trumpers will, or ought to, choose a world in which there is clean energy, good welfare, cheap healthcare, cheap education, but which aggravates and angers the Trumpers every day by having to see the “forces of evil prevail” - LGBT, whatever. Many people can’t opt for that.

You know what rural, blue collar people hate? College educated, well off, suburban, condescending Liberals telling them what their interests are. You don’t live their life and you have no fucking idea what their interests are. They are angry and sick and tired of being mocked, called ignorant and getting screwed no matter who is in power. Why not a populist demagogue who’s going to blow the whole thing up?

Don’t worry, the GOP has a plan for that. If this woman is an immigrant, or her family are recent immigrants, they can get her riled up about all of the “illegals” that are waltzing in and getting luxuries handed to them for free that she/her family had to work hard to get.

I don’t see much political advertising but what I have seen lately is 100% “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OMG!!!”

I’m not sure that I’d argue passionately against this point. We certainly hear it repeated often enough.

But may I offer a rebuttal:

There is no large-scale equivalent to the kind of existential threat that the right paints the left as being.

There is no equivalent to the smear (and stochastic terrorism) that inherently exists in calling somebody (and I mean directly, not by implication) a pedophile.

2/3rds of the country directs their antipathy toward Donald J. Trump – a single person. Donald Trump, and – by proxy – his ardent followers direct their bile, hatred, and venom at the other 2/3rds of the country, in stereotypical cult fashion.

Though our Courts confer a presumption of innocence, public opinion does not. When you call the other side monsters – Socialists, Communists, and Marxists who are a threat to your kids and your very existence – you have created a harm that basically cannot be undone.

Particularly when, I would wager, very few parroting those terms could define them, let alone defend the accusations with substantive arguments.

Was Maxine Waters out of line by suggesting a bullying campaign? Of course. Was Joe Biden calling half the country fascists? No. He used the term “semi-fascism” to describe a very specific and very narrow group of people for whom the actual term fits rather nicely.

And there comes a time when doubling down on endless claims that are either totally baseless or demonstrably false earns one a bit of righteous scorn and ridicule.

It really isn’t their friends, their neighbors, their colleagues, or the Democrats who are looking down on them, condescending to them, and laughing at them behind their backs.

It’s the places where they get their news and the people to whom they keep writing checks.

It’s straight-up Demagoguery 101. No more, no less.

Agree, and that’s pretty much exactly what I am suggesting - by appealing to the MAGA’s base, emotional interests of “owning the libs” and getting that dopamine hit - people may voting against their own economic and social well being. By demonizing “others”, which is easy and lazy, the Republicans can skip past the harder governing activities and policy positions and concentrate on attaining and holding power.

I can’t argue with much of that. Now…do you want to be right or do you want to change minds?

IMHO, it’s only the minds of (likely a percent of) the actual, legitimate undecideds whose minds could be changed.

Without going too far OT …

A strategy to manipulate and use The Most Credulous and Impressionable voters in this country worked once. It put a highly improbable, totally unqualified, and inarguably dangerous reality TV failure in the highest office in the land.

When you hear the nonsense that they uncritically repeat, your heart aches like you’re watching WWII unfold, again, and you cannot believe the entranced cannot be awakened.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Carl Sagan

That’s the lesson and the legacy of MAGA in a nutshell.

Maybe there are also a handful of ‘gettable’ so-called “RINOs,” but I doubt there’s a MAGA mind that could possibly be changed in time to matter.

To add another point that may be OT: You almost never succeed in mocking people out of a viewpoint. Whether it’s religion, politics, flat-Eartherism, conspiracies, or whatnot - mocking them will almost invariably make them dig in their heels twice as hard.

Since 2016, the media, entertainment, social media, etc. has unleashed a nonstop barrage of ridicule, mockery and criticism (much of it justified, perhaps, but that’s not the point) at Trump supporters. The success rate of such mockery in getting them to change their views has probably been almost nil.

One of the David Frum quotes (appears in the page I linked to above) puts a very fine point on exactly your point:

We want things to return to normal, back to a world in which we do not have to waste time rebutting demented conspiracy theories and fact-checking farcical lies every single day. We want a government that operates competently and honestly, headed by a president who behaves with dignity and integrity. If we were at risk of under-appreciating the quiet grace of decency, Trump has cured us of that. But after we evict the squatter, we must repair the house he trashed. Trump became president because millions of Americans felt that a self-satisfied elite had created a pleasant society only for themselves. Millions of other Americans felt disregarded and discarded. They determined to crash their way in, and they wielded Trump as their crowbar to pry open the barriers against them. Trump is a criminal and deserves the penalties of law. Trump’s enablers and politics and media are contemptable and deserve the scorn of honest patriots. But Trump’s voters are our compatriots. Their fate will determine ours. You do not beat Trump until you have restored an America that has room for all its people. The resentments that produced Trump will not be assuaged by contempt for the resentful. Reverse prejudice, reverse stereotyping, never mind whether they are right or wrong–they are wrong–just be aware that they are acids [poured] upon the connections that bind a democratic society. […] Maybe you cannot bring everybody along with you. But you still must try–for your own sake, as well as theirs.”

But – as with so many perspectives – it paints a clear picture of what not to do without giving some constructive indication of what he thinks we should do, or – frankly – whether or not he believes that the MAGA mind could possibly even be changed.

Nobody seems to opine much on that one, though I think Biden is on the right track with his economic message of “from the middle, out, rather than from the top, down” (ie, a repudiation of trickle down economics in favor of a strategy to bolster and restore the middle class).

I was asking my MAGA neighbor – concerned about inflation and its impact on lower-income Americans, but not quite as concerned as he is about illegal immigration – what the economic impact of rounding up, concentrating, and deporting 10-20 million of the hardest working, lowest paid people in this country might be.

He responded with some oblique reference to creative destruction – that little can be accomplished without pain.

But it’s pain that inures to the very demographic he claims to champion.

It’s so challenging.

“You can’t reason a person out of a belief that they didn’t use reason to hold in the first place.”

– [Paraphrasing] Jonathan Swift

A lot of the responses here are assuming people identify strongly with their demographics. Some do, some don’t. But one point I think is neglected is the aspirational aspect.

People believe in the American dream. They don’t hate the elites for being elite. They hate the people who are elites NOW, because they’re keeping them down. What they want is to rise up and BE the elite. We were always told as kids that if you worked hard, you would succeed. That’s a lie: working hard is important to success, but a good work ethic doesn’t mean you can own a home in your community, for example. What the Republicans are selling is that the American Dream is real: that it used to be available and will be again. And people want that.

In other words, I don’t think it’s always about hatred and cruelty. Sometimes it’s frustratation that we see all this wealth and power, and don’t share in it. If you are not in the habit of thinking deeply about complex matters, it’s pretty easy for a demagogue to harness your frustration, find a scapegoat, and win. Bonus if that demagogue is visibly different from the elites (in this case, by crassness and incompetence). Man of the people: not perfect, but one of us.

This is why I’m scared of Vance: I think he does that better than Trump does.

Yes, it’s mind-boggling that the most narcissistic, self-agrandizing asshole who brands himself as the definition of rich is somehow simultaneously the symbol for the downtrodden working class. I mean, ask the working class contractors that Trump regularly cheated out of construction fees.

But I also can explain some of it. Trump’s financial agenda of reducing regulations and oversight on big business is promoted under the guise of freedom from beauracratic nonsense. His economy is promoted to the working class as being on their side by preventing inflation and keeping prices lower, coupled with reducing taxes so you keep more of what you earn.

The conservatives have been selling the narrative for decades that increasing wages will just drive up prices to match. Unfortunately they caught a huge break where that simplistic story seems to be playing out. Reality is that there are several complex economic issues that drove inflation and thus the rise in prices, but that takes effort, whereas the simple narrative is easy.

So people in fact have been told for a long time that Democrat policies are bad for their pocketbook while Republican policies are good, and the current economy seems to match. Nevermind covid and war in Ukraine, it’s clearly what conservatives have said all along.

But even more important than the economic factors they don’t actually understand, what gets Trump the most support is his appeal to their social status.

You see, mainstream white christian culture feels like it has been under attack for decades, and that attack has intensified in the last decade. They see the progressive “woke” agenda as being counter to their beliefs.

Every advance in civil rights and cultural tolerance since women’s right to vote has been perceived as an attack on their own power.

What has happened is that the courts have realized that certain groups have held unmerited privileges that intrude on fair rights for all, so courts and our culture have slowly been eroding those unfair privileges. But to the White Christian majority, that is perceived as eroding their “rights”.

Recognizing religious diversity led to reducing forced religious participation through cultural privilege of Christianity over other religions or no religion. Forced rituals and symbology is religious establishment. But Christians feel the removal of public ritual and symbols detracts from their individual ability to worship. That’s a crock, but it’s their perception.

Similarly, their moral code defines certain behaviors as wrong (evil). So diverse cultural ideas about morality that sees those behaviors as choices and doesn’t agree they are evil drives a diversifying society to allow behaviours they judge as bad. Thus, they feel their morality is under attack.

So decades of reducing privilege and modifying laws to allow “evil” behaviors has led to gay marriage and finally a cultural push to accept trandgender people for who they are, and that is pushing the moral tolerance a step too far.

So Trump is riding the cultural backlash of the old privileged class to fight for their power back. Thus, he taps into the Christian aversion to LGBT+ and the fear of losing religious rights and the fear of brown people growing in number and culturally changing society. He tells these people they are right that they are under attack, that they must fight back, and he is their champion to restore the old world order with their privileges restored and the others put back in their place.

A whole lot of Trump’s support (at least from what I’ve seen) comes from nonwhite people. I’ve seen first-generation Hispanic and Asian immigrants who were as MAGA or even more MAGA than white MAGAs. What they shared in common was an intense antipathy against Satan, libs, LGBT, Islam, etc. Race had just about nothing to do with it.

@Irishman touched on it, but we mustn’t give it short shrift:
Religion

Trump promised to favor the wishes and desires of the Evangelicals. And frankly, he delivered. For years Republicans paid them lip service, but Trump actually paid them. It matter a lot to them. And a quick Googling tells me there’s 90-100 million of them. And I have no doubt Trump takes the lion’s share.

They were probably always mostly Republican voters, but they are reliable Trump voters.

Materialism is the motive, magical thinking the means

My cite: living in the Trumplandia suburbs. Most large American cities resemble French air force roundels: blue in the center of a red disc.

People who didn’t have the opportunity to go to college, might not like that Biden is offering to pay the debts of people who did. People who can’t afford to fully repay their college loans might object to Biden promising to pay, but not delivering on it.

People who don’t have the privilege of owning a home, might object to home owners getting subsidies for solar panels. Or might not like that people with a home can get electric vehicle subsidies, while they might live in an apartment with no place to plug in an EV. They are also got priced out of home ownership because of the large increase in mortgage rates.

Many of the achievements Biden brags about may not obviously be having an effect on many of the underprivileged, and here is what they might be thinking. Created lots of jobs: I already had a job. Passed the Inflation Reduction Act: what good was that- prices went up over 20 percent. Lowered the cost of insulin: I don’t buy insulin. Improved Medicare: I am not on Medicare. Checkmated China: I don’t have a problem with China. Putin is on the ropes: Putin never did anything to me. Infrastructure improvements: how come my neighborhood is full of pot holes, and I still can’t get internet access.

They might also have grown suspicous of everything they have been hearing after all that talk of “Biden is sharp as a tack” only to see him on live TV in an unscripted debate.

All that is just another way of answering what already generated a 900 post thread on why Biden can’t get traction on the economy. Add in some nihilism, some annoyance with the very online parts of the left and various groups, perhaps a feeling that the Democrats are for every identity except yours (which is the identity of the evil oppressor), and the general question of what have you done for me lately and there you go.

I’ve been waiting for someone to at least define who exactly is in a privileged class here. It was just a few short years ago that privilege was a favorite topic in online spaces and white privilege in particular. John Scalzi compared living as a straight white male to the lowest difficulty of a video game. i.e. Being a straight white male was life on easy mode. From that point of view, the majority of Trump’s supporters are members of the privileged class.

And really, wouldn’t any of us hate that? I’ve heard some of my friends argue that rural citizens vote against their interest, but when I ask my friends if they’ve considered the rural voter has different priorities than they do I find they haven’t.

I think there’s some validity to the argument that Democrats have historically taxed the middle class in order to pay for social programs for the poor. After all, the only other option would be to tax the rich, and until quite recently the Democratic Party hasn’t been willing to seriously consider that.

Convincing people to fight a race war and a culture war is a great way to get them to give up on fighting a class war.