And accept the reality that their existence as a nominally sovereign nation is dependent upon the good will of the USA.
How many other nations will come to the same conclusion?
Apparently Soleimani’s killing was a result of a sort of tripwire policy put in place seven months ago.
Who said I was ok with murdering people? I’m acknowledging reality and that states do this all the time. Your boy Soleimani did this, and so do and does the Iranian regime. And it’s not like the US and Iran are the only ones. Of course, wrt a nation state, ‘murder’ is kind of a gray concept itself, especially in this circumstance. I’m not going to shed any tears for Soleimani, as he was kind of familiar with ‘murder’ himself, especially the directed kind where he orders or plans for the ‘murder’ of others. What IS an issue is that just because you can do something, or even that it’s justified, doesn’t necessarily mean you should do it as a nation state, as you need to consider the ramifications.
Sorry if this hurts your delicate sensibilities, though I’ve noticed the hypocrisy that is rampant on this board where the focus on SOME ‘murders’ (such as when the US does something like this) gets folks tearing their hair and crying crocodile tears of grief and rage, while other ‘murders’ (such as, oh, those ordered by Soleimani, or by others who aren’t the US or Trump or someone that politically sticks in your ass) aren’t really mentioned or talked about much. Like I said, for my part, I’m shedding no tears about Soleimani. It was STILL a very, very stupid thing for Trump to do, and it put us on the edge of war with Iran, and THAT is the real issue. But you want to make this about ‘murder’, and how that was the bad part, well, you go there man. But you are a fucking hypocrite unless you are going to do this across the board, and lash out at EVERY state sanctioned ‘murder’ that is ordered by a country. And every major player…such as our now deceased boy, Soleimani AND the various players in the Iranian regime who do this sort of shit every day.
I’m guessing though you will save your outrage for Trump and the US, while missing what the real issue is and was. JMHO of course.
What we should do is, every year have a vote for the Official Board Hypocrisy Scold.
You know if a conservative said this, you’d be losing your shit.
Both sides are to blame, except for me, I float above the fray in the enlightened center.
You should have just linked to this interview of Trump defending Putin’s assassination plots, instead of wasting time typing all those words.
OK, just long as Solemani is “your boy”. I would be kinda insulted, but if its cool with you, well, OK, then.
One point to Slytherin for Trump actually having scruples. Two points deducted from Slytherin for (1) not announcing the tripwire as a deterrent :smack: and (2) Trump lying about the four-embassies bullshit.
And what happened to that stuff about the brass hats briefing Il Douche and him selecting Shit #4?
And my understanding is that there’s a doctrine in place, says we don’t kill foreign government officials. Because that’s right out! Except if its “imminent”, an immediate threat that requires an executive decision. So we have an executive who can order such a thing if the bad guy has a thermonuclear suicide vest and is in a cab on its way to our embassy.
But this says he was put on a hit list, so we watched for the right opportunity.
And then! we off the guy on foreign soil. Touchy, complicated foreign soil. Kinda hard seeing how the “imminent threat” covers this sort of shit.
Maybe he was an eminent thread and this administration got confused.
Nah, Trump is just putting up an immanence front (it’s a put on).
You did.
The rest of your post is just you spewing lies and bullshit. Like how you attempt to post about ME instead about what I wrote: “Your boy Soleimani” for example. Oh, and that whole last paragraph too. Oh, and your closing sentence.
What a fucking joke you are.
I’m an American. Immoral things done by the American government offend me in a personal way that immoral things done by the Iranian government do not.
ITFP, please point us to these “crocodile tears”. Who on this board is actually mourning the death of Soleimani? I am seeing people say that killing him was wrong, improper, or dangerously stupid. I am not seeing sadness or grief at his loss from anyone here.
Beyond that, you might want to consider that
[ul][li] General Soleimani was a terrorist[/li][li] who killed Americans[/li][li] sent to Iraq by the US government[/li][li] expressly to prosecute a war/occupation[/li][li] meaning, with full knowledge of being in harm’s way (it was their actual job description)[/li][li] a war that Bush\Cheney lied the US into[/li][li] and then those liars declared Soleimani/the IRGC terrorists[/li][/ul]
So, without the malfeasance of the W administration, it is not entirely obvious that Soleimani would ever have been anything other than a carpenter. What is obvious is that the Bush/Cheney lies literally gave rise to ISIL, which never would have formed under Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athist regime.
So tell me again who the real terrorists are/were.
If right move, then still wrong timing. We should have done it on Iranian soil. Iraqis are seriously and justifiably pissed. With a mere 2 hour wait, our Iraqi bases would be safe. What the heck was so urgent that we had to bite our own foot off?
Funny, you’re defending the assassination of Soleimani, but I’ve never heard you defend the murder of the American contractor that was killed by the Iran-backed militia a few weeks back.
Hypocrite.
Well, that was an American. Soleimani was one of those icky Muslim types. Those are the lesser people, so killing them is no big deal. You might as well be handling livestock.
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Indeed. The problem with Soleimani’s killing isn’t that Soleimani was a lovely person who will be sorely missed by the world; it’s that we’re supposed to be the good guys here and “good guys” aren’t supposed to go around killing just anyone they want to for any reason they want (or indeed with little reason at all).
Admittedly the US has been doing this sort of thing for most of the last century anyway, but at least we usually did it in a way that gave us plausible deniability. Now we’re just thugs.
Maybe that should be the new US motto, printed on the currency:
We Used to have Plausible Deniability, but Now We’re Just Thugs.
Your boy Adolf Hitler was pretty good at this kinda stuff, too. He was also pretty good at using false pretexts for war. See, Adolf, that’s where the more, ahem, well-adjusted among us in a democracy step in and say “We’re better than this, we as citizens should have some transparency and accountability in government, and we’re not going to just shirk away because authority figures tell us to get over it.”
LOL. Good night, Rambo.:rolleyes: