Esprix:
I kinda thought this was a discussion board…and yes, when people argue a case, they usually try to persuade people to see their point of view. I guess I’m not allowed to do this?
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown
Patrick:
Sure, happens all the time. As I pointed out to you once before, Tom, of tomndebb is Catholic. I’ve yet to see anyone give him too much crap because of it. Polycarp (who I’ve not seen about lately, where in hell is he?) is some Protestant denomination or another, and his posts are treated as things worthy of reading. Lots of other folk, too.
Now, contrast that with you, and all that has come from you. Are you capable of seeing the difference there, Pat?
Waste
Flick Lives!
You never did directly state that people should convert or repent; however, you did insinuate that people should do something when you asked:
I think that some responded to this inquiry in the same heated manner in which it was offered. Those who did not stated precisely how it would effect them.
Nen, I apologized for that, a long time ago. If I don’t like being attacked, I should not attack either.
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown
Check the MPSIMS thread about Polycarp. He can’t come out to play right now.
Yes, but not when he calls people idiots, ignores direct questions, and yells “anti-religion” at every turn.
Perhaps they are, but I’m not reading those threads. Maybe those posters got a thorough thrashing if their intent was to troll, or maybe the threads went off onto intelligent discourse - I can’t say. I’m only talking about this thread, and what you’ve already outright admitted.
Furthermore, I notice you’ve obviously been reading this entire thread, but still have ignored many, many questions posed to you - you pick and choose which posts to answer based on which ones will give you the best opportunity to cry foul, generalize, berate and whine.
C’mon, patrick - I know you’re capable of better.
Esprix
I realize that you did apologize (and thank you), but I think that some still erringly felt your intention was conversion.
Nen has a very valid point, pashley - your very first post started off with the premise that anyone who responded contrary to your belief on the subject was an “anti-religious zealot.” Then, when people responded to this insult with sarcasm and snide remarks, you compounded it in your second post by calling people “idiots.”
How can you really expect to have a “discussion” when this is all set up from the get-go?
Let’s put it this way, pash - if I opened a thread and said, “IF the Pope came out of the closet as a homosexual, what would that do to Catholics? Now let’s see how you homophobic bigots respond to that!” what kind of response do you think I would have gotten?
Esprix
Nen,
If anything, this board has taught me what my signature quote states.
Look, I don’t hate you guys, none of you. I get angry and frustrated with you, but I try not to hold hate in my heart.
If you guys don’t want to hear about God, that’s fine. That’s your choice, I’m cool with that.
Can I ask that I not be treated with a condescending, mean-spirited tone if I say anything regarding God?
I want to discuss, not argue.
Yes, I have gotten angry, and made some regrettable posts lashing out at people I felt were disrespecting me.
I have seen the postings of other religious folks on here, and some have been treated like me, some have been treated much better.
I am willing to watch my tone, which may come across as “preachy” or “evangelical”, but expect in return that others will show a little more tact in there replies/retorts as well.
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown
That’s just it - this whole thread was a set-up by you. You posted a ‘have you stop beating your wife’ type of question to ‘prove’ that we wouldn’t accept evidence. You had absolutely no intention of actually debating the question as stated, but were simply trying to provoke the kinds of responses that would validate your personal opinion of ‘non-believers’. A lot of people saw through that, and treated the message with contempt. Some of us actually tried to engage the question, and were ignored by you.
I don’t have (nor do most people here, I’m guessing) a problem with discussing god. I think that the problem lies with using faith as evidence to support arguements you have offered to those who demand rational premises and conclusion. Talk about god all you want; it’s a favorite topic of mine.
You weren’t. You were treated condescendingly when you created a thread that treated others the same way. Can you see the difference?
Then you’ve got a hell of a way of showing it.
And are you able to see the difference in posting style between you (and those of your ilk), and those who are treated much better? If not, then there’s not a whole hell of a lot else to say.
Waste
Flick Lives!
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Originally posted by GLWasteful:
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You weren’t. You were treated condescendingly when you created a thread that treated others the same way. Can you see the difference?
Yes, I believe I was, and yes, I offering to be more sensitive, can YOU be?
Then you’ve got a hell of a way of showing it.
Here I am, offering a handshake, and you throw it back at me, thanks.
And are you able to see the difference in posting style between you (and those of your ilk), and those who are treated much better? If not, then there’s not a whole hell of a lot else to say.
“And those of my ilk”. Thanks again.
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown
Do you have anything to say about the “What if the Pope went insane” thread? Is that provoking as well?
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown
pashley, I’ll bet that if your current humbleness is reflected in your future postings, you will find that most posters here will give back what they receive. There may be a residual effect for a short time, but this too shall pass.
That said, I should think you would rather the flood myth were NOT true. Otherwise, you would need to explain why you worship a diety that felt the need to murder innocent animals and young children.
Hardcore, my hand out to you as well.
Regarding the flood myth, God felt that the Earth was full of sinning folks and destroyed them. The sins of the father often visit the children, regrettably.
Hardcore, are you angry against God, and do you accept my handshake?
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown
You have no need to offer me your hand – I harbor you no ill will. And I can feel no anger toward a nonexistent being.
But certainly you cannot reasonably hold that an omnipotent being would need to murder innocent children in order to punish their fathers? If I did that, I most certainly would receive the death penalty. And the animals committed no sin that required retribution, don’t you think?
Hardcore,
I don’t have an explanation for that. How’s that for humility and honesty. You may say this is trite, but his ways are not our ways. I am guessing there was a greater good to be had. I don’t have the answer, but that doesn’t mean there is not one.
If you would grant, for a moment, the existence of God, can we also allow that this being, of infinite power and knowledge, may have ways we do not understand?
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown
Pat:
Me? Personally? No. I’m a bastard, but a surprisingly open-minded one. Just don’t use bullshit reasoning inre something with which I am familiar, and I’ll do a pretty good job of leaving you alone.
Just proud to be part of the team!
To use a term with which you seem familiar, Thanks.
Hate? Me? Patrick, I don’t hate you. I don’t even know you, ferchrissakes.
Look, Pat, in the time you’ve been here, you have made an ass of yourself on this, as well as other, threads. I’ve seen too many people come in here who have done the same. If you want me to accept you, then you need to act like an adult. Accept that there are folk out there who will always disagree with you. And some of them will do so blisteringly. And that just because you think that you have a new angle on a question, doesn’t mean that you do.
If you have something to say, please say it. If you are disagreed with, then don’t piss and moan that you are being persecuted. You’re simply being disagreed with.
Waste
Flick Lives!
Look, Pat, in the time you’ve been here, you have made an ass of yourself on this, as well as other, threads. I’ve seen too many people come in here who have done the same. If you want me to accept you, then you need to act like an adult. Accept that there are folk out there who will always disagree with you. And some of them will do so blisteringly. And that just because you think that you have a new angle on a question, doesn’t mean that you do.
If you have something to say, please say it. If you are disagreed with, then don’t piss and moan that you are being persecuted. You’re simply being disagreed with.
I’m not one to “piss and moan” when it comes to a spirited debate.
Patrick Ashley
“For those who believe, no evidence is necessary; for those who don’t believe, no evidence is enough.” -Unknown