What if we "lily ponded" the oceans of the world?

What if we “lily ponded” the oceans of the world?

Consider. Two big problems our cities face are gaining enough power for everything their citizens need to run AND gaining enough fresh water for everyone to drink and water their lawns and irrigate the crops they need to eat. What if we solved both by building ‘lily pads’ out on top of the oceans?

Everything starts with a single step, of course. Some tech-billionaire funds the first ‘lily pad.’ It’s a giant hexagon built of, er, [something], basically in the form of a child’s inflatable swimming pool. Perhaps its sides are one mile long. Its surface is flat, and the sides are whatever depth are needed so that it will displace enough water so that it and whatever we build upon it will float. (I’m leaving some details for the engineers to handle, you understand.) What we build on the lilypad is a whole slew of big solar panels. Or even a bigger slew of normal sized solar panels. Whatever. We collect the electricity from all the panels and run it down a ocean floor cable to, say, Los Angeles. Immense amounts of power for everyone!

And that’s not all. Obviously rain will fall on our lilypad. We channel it to a network of inflatable collection balloons, which float underneath the lily pad, so they don’t add to the weight. The fresh water ends up collected into a giant pipe that also runs along the floor of the ocean and gets pumped back to Los Angeles. Immense amounds of nice fresh water for everyone!

Okay, a single 1 mile sided hexagon isn’t probably enough, but you use the profit of the first one to build the next, floating alongside the alpha one, maybe with just a foot or so gap between the sides? And we’re off to the races! One pad pays for the second, the first two pay for the next two, and on and on. In an unbelievably short amount of time we can cover the entire ocean!

In fact, maybe we’ll be collecting way more power and water than we actually need. So maybe some of our lilypads will be devoted to agriculture (hydroponics?) instead. I mean, what great fields, all perfectly flat, no nasty hills and mountains to work around.

Now, I imagine there will be some side effects of doing this. For one thing, Earth will no longer be the “Blue Planet.” It’ll be some mottled version of black (solar cells) and green/golden (the agriculture fields, depending on season and what crops we crops) but I guess we can rewrite the necessary references.

Will this affect our planetary temperature? Yeah, we’ll be collecting a bunch of solar power, but it’s not like all that solar power isn’t hitting the oceans and being absorbed already. On the other hand, that sunlight won’t be causing water to be evaporated from the ocean, which I think tends to cool the water. Maybe the two changes will balance out?

And the water should balance out: every drop that gets collected before it lands in the Pacific will be pumped somewhere else on earth to be used and eventually evaporate into the air or drain back into the ocean.

I suspect it would totally crash the ocean biosystem. No sunlight for algae to grown on, no algae for animals to eat. Huge ‘dead zones’ beneath our lily pads. Oh, well, I never liked seafood all that much.

OTOH, once the paddification proceeds far enough, the world is no longer chopped up by oceans. A New Zealander with stamina and ambition can hike from his home to anywhere else on the planet, just walking across the pads and leaping over the foot wide gaps between them.

Hmmm. It’ll also muck up ocean travel. I guess we’ll have to plan in some open channels for boats to get between the old continents. “The Transatlantic Channel” and so on. Should be doable.

The future is so bright!

Why? I mean, it’s not like you can’t more cheaply build solar panels and freshwater collection barrels on land, on the roofs of warehouses, above commercial buildings, or in the open fields next to airports; and then they don’t have to be built to withstand salt spray and waves

Let’s see the numbers that show this would make any profit. My guess is that is a massive money losing proposition.

Apparently upwards of 50% of the oxygen produced on our planet is from the ocean. It will stop doing that if you cover it up. How much do you like breathing and remaining alive?

It’s very costly to built durable technical installations in oceans. How will your giant lily pad deal with corrosion? Waves? Storms?

Until you can build a single one of these and make it pay off the investment I don’t think we have to worry about the consequences of them covering all of Earth’s oceans, but even so, there is plenty of “ocean desert” area around where covering the surface with lily pads isn’t going to do much to reduce the world’s oxygen production. An Ocean full of Deserts | Earthdata

That’s real simple. We just bio-engineer humans who can photosynthesize.

And then we die.

Those aren’t normal, and their growth isn’t a good thing for us. We should be working on counteracting them, not going “what a good location to continue our Koyaanisqatsi

It does sound simple when you put it like that, yes.

Their growth is probably linked to climate change, but they are not abnormal. Natural ocean deserts are simply a consequence of phytoplankton using up essential nutrients and some regions being far from sources that replenish those nutrients, such as rivers bringing sediments and certain major ocean currents bringing them up from the sea floor.

Make them out of plastic. Put ALL of the plastic in the sea!

The edges of the pads could be fringed with some sort of floating array of wave power harvesting machines - this would not only generate power, but would also damp out those pesky waves. Best of all, they would be really easy to design, because I don’t have to do it.

Once we’ve covered the entire ocean and prevented nearly all evaporation of water, the climate will be very different. Maybe there won’t be storms. We won’t know until we try!

My guess is that off-shore wind farms are probably more practical for the moment.

You’re right, I was too broad there, some amount is normal. I meant the extent we currently have.

You’re getting way too into this :slight_smile:

Let’s see where this could go if we ignore the killing us with lack of oxygen problem.

Solar right now is producing about 6 kWh per square meter/day in the LA area. So in our 1 mile diameter lily pad we’d be able to produce about 12,204,971 kWh/day. Right now it seems a kWh is about $0.22 in LA so the pad would make $2,685,094/ day assuming lossless transmission. Looking around it seems ground based commercial solar is about $1.13/wat for capital cost so building this plant on land would run ~ $13,791,617,230. A nimitz class aircraft carrier has a deck area of 4.5 acres and if we assume the cost drops to that a super tanker or about $116mm we’d get a total cost of $12,957 mm for the 100 aircraft carriers in area. Our build cost would be ~$25T for one “lilypad” and pay out would be roughly 25,000 years.

Did you multiply kWh/day by dollars/W and come out with dollars? That doesn’t seem right.

No, or at least I don’t think so. I did 12,204,971 kWh/day times 0.22 Dollars/kWh to get 2,685,094 dollars/day

What about here?

That was $1.13 per wat of installed power × 12,204,971 kW of installed power x 1000 = 13,791,610,000

The per day drops out when we’re talking about the installed power or its assumed to be there on both sides. So the 1.13 would be per wat per day.

How do you get from 12,204,971 kWh/day to 12,204,971 kW of installed power? If we assumed 8 hours of equal sunlight, 12,204,971 kWh/day equates to 1,525,621kW installed.

Is 1 hour of sunlight per day a usual assumption?

Watt/day is not a thing.