What is a "Jewish Settlement"?

When reading about trouble in the Middle East and/or Isreal, one often reads about Jewish Settlements established by Isreal. What are these settlements and what are their purposes? I don’t mean to make this a political question, I am only interested in simple (as much as possible) facts.

From my perspective, it seems that the leaders of Isreal establish these settlements to create a Jewish presence in an area. Fine, but what motivates people to move there? I can’t imagine the real estate brochure says “Move to <whatever> settlement and enjoy life on the frontier. Enjoy enemy actions as your schools and nightspots are bombed into oblivion.”

Again, I don’t mean to offend anyone. I am sure that these settlements are very important, regardless of which side of any conflict you may support. I just don’t really understand their purpose or how they become populated.

Well, in the first place, it’s “Israel,” not “Isreal.” You must understand that most of the area designated for the state of Palestine by the UN mandate of 1947 was uninhabited. Since the Arabs refused to recognize the Mandate, Jordan took over the area, until Israel defeated them in the war of 1967. Israel is a very small country, and many Jews wish to settle there, but there is not enough land in Israel itself, so they have attempted to establish settlements in the barren land set aside for Palestine, which was uninhabited.

The PA makes much of these settlements, as if the Jews pre-empted their land. But in fact, the settlements have been on uninhabited desert areas. It was only when some Jews attempted to build settlements there that the PA said, “Wait a minute. That’s our land.”

Here’s what appears to be a detailed and current map of the west bank settlements. This BBC site offers less detail, but also includes a map of settlements in the Gaza strip. As barbitu8 mentioned, much of the land involved was barren as recently as 30 years ago.

I don’t want to make this into a GD thread, but just because the land is barren, it is still somebody else’s land.

Also check out some of these maps and see for yourself that whether this land is really “barren.”

Sorry I know this a GD hijack, but if Jordan “took over” those lands when they were barren, where was the justification for Israel in waging war to get them back, particularly if they were mandated for Palestine rather than Israel?

Istara, the British mandate divided the area into two parts, Trans-Jordan and Palestine. Trans-Jordan became Jordan and Palestine became Israel. So, “mandated for Palestine” means that is was intended by the British to become part of what is now Isreal (i.e. the Jewish state), not the Palestinian Authority which came later. The British didn’t set aside any land for the people who are now referred to as Palestinians, a designation that did not exist pre-1948.

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istara:

Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, and when Israel successfully defended itself, they drove the Jordanian army back further than they had been before the attack.

As for the OP: The answer is that people settle there because it’s cheap. You can get a large house with a backyard for what a small apartment in Jerusalem proper would have cost. And before the current intifada started, there really wasn’t that much danger. Palestinian Arabs were working in the settlements (and in Israel proper) and moving about pretty freely with no one casting suspicious eyes on them before September 2000.

Well, Israel didn’t exactly. In the Six Day war, Israel launched the attack on Syria, Egypt, and Jordan, because Syrian, Egyptian, and Jordanian troops had mobilized on the border and Israel belived that they were going to attack within the next few days. When the war was over, Israel kept the West Bank as a buffer zone until a peace treaty with Jordan could be worked out.

The Riots in Gaza begining December 1987 (the outbreak of the Intifada, 1987-1993) nothwithstanding.

Here is what I see as a Arab Slanted, but not TOO badly slanted, brief summary of the recent history and current issues.

From what I understand, these settlements are populated mainly by recent emigrants and religeous zealots. The zealots are motivated by the effort to “reclaim” “Judea and Sumeria” for Israel and the emigrants for the most part are motivated by the excellent real estate deals and subsidized financing. They get more house for their money. It would be as if there were a policy in the US to settle an area and for the government to provide housing and financing below market rates.

And while this is not GD and I do not know barbitu8’s sources of information regarding the status of the land where the settlements are being built, I can relate my experiences.

During the decade from the mid 70’s to the mid 80’s, I did a lot of backpacking around in various spots of the world. I made two journeys of three weeks each to Israel/Palestine. In my usual fashion, I went on my own and just let myself go in whatever direction seemed interesting at the time.

As a consequence, in my usual fashion, I met people in bus stops, cafes, bars, in the markets, at festivals, or on the streeet. And as usual, people are interested in foriegners and invite you to come to their homes, to meet the family, and usually to stay overnight. So when I was in the West Bank and Gaza, I never paid a hotel bill after the first couple of nights. I was passed from one family to another in the fashion of “Tonight you will stay at so and so’s house.” Fine. I would be taken there and greeted by the whole family and treated like a guest in the old world tradition.

During the days I would wander the markets or get someone to show me around. I would ask questions regarding their situation. It is therefore based on these experiences that I can categorically refute the fiction that the settlements are perfectly ok as there was no one living there anyway. “A land without people for a people without land” as the Zionists like to say.

These settlements, and I saw many, were often plunked down on a main road connecting various Palestinian villiages, effectively Balkanizing them. So at the very least, the land had a well-traveled road through it. It was said that the Israeli army would frequently condemn olive groves as some kind of restricted military zone, bulldoze the trees, and eventually set up a new settlement. I never actually saw this happen, but people spoke of it with great indignation. Even the children.

In Israel propper, I had many conversations with politially active people on the left who confirmed the main points. I even stayed in the house of a member of the Knesset.

Now I suppose that it is possible that I was shown an elaborate Potemkin Villiage and that my powers of observation failed me. Maybe barbitu8 is right and I am wrong.

OK, so does the average Settler have a job, or is settling a full-time sort of thing?

Does a settlement have businesses? Factories? McDonald’s? The footage I always see makes them look like suburbs in California.

If I (as a non-Jew) won the Saudi national lottery, could I move in? Are these places segregated? What if I was a Islamic or Chrisitan Israeli citizen?

I would like to know more about the practicalities of these settlements.

Letters from American Jews who moved there have said so. But don’t take their word for it. The following is an extensive summary of “the West Bank Story” from The Siege, a book written by an Irishman, Conor Cruise O’Brien (1986).

After the 1967 war, Jordan (Hussein) entered into a tacit adversarial partnership with Israel re the West Bank. At first, Hussein tried to work with the PLO ensconced in the East Bank. In 1973, Hussein was constrained to join with Egypt and Syria in the Yom Kippur War against Israel. Arabs everywhere were elated by the war, seen as proving Israel’s vulnerability. The Arab Summit at Rabat in 1974 recognized the PLO as sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians. Hussein was obliged to subscribe to this.

In early 1975, Jordan declared that merger of the two banks. To some, the eclipse of Hussein in the West Bank was complete. Exit Hussein. Enter the PLO. However, although the PLO controlled the rhetoric of West Bank politics, Hussein still had authority, quietly exercised, over many of the pragmatic aspects. The salaries of West Bank officials were paid by Jordan.

Under Israel rule after the 1967 war, between 1968 and 1980, the GNP of the West Bank increased at an average rate of 12 percent pa; the per capita GNP also increased by 10%. West Bank agriculture benefited greatl;y from the dependency. The total value of West Bank agricultural production rose from 114 million Israeli pounds in 1968 to 350 million in 1972.

West Bank Arabs began to commute to Israel to work. At the time this book was written, the percentage was 29-49 (depending upon whose figures you believe). These commuters said they preferred to commute because the Arab contractors have to be reminded 4 or 5 times to pay them. In both the West Bank and Gaza, inhabitants of refugee camps were fully employed in Israel, while retaining their refugee status and benefits (under the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East). Access to work in Israel made a dramatic difference to life in Gaza, in particular. A carnival scene reported by a TV journalist follows. To the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza, as to the Arabs of Israel proper, Jewish rule brought a significant degree of economic progress, better material conditions - including a 15 percent annual increase in wages - and benefits in the spheres of public health and education.

As the years of occupation lengthened, controversy over the West Bank came to be increasingly dominated by the question of the Jewish settlements. It was widely held that all such settlements were contrary to international law and the Geneva Convention, concerning the military government of terrirotry occupied in war. Israel responded that this was not equivalent to military occupation of a part of the territory of a sovereign state, since Jordanian sovereignty in the territory had never been internationally recognized.

The basic idea, during the years of Labor predominance over the West Bank - 1967-1977 - was one of limited but quite large-scale settlement, for strategic purposes. The “Allon Plan” was never officially adopted, but it became the basis for the settlements. This Plan proposed the incorporation into Israel of a strip 12-15 km wide along the western bank of the Jordan river and the western shores of the Dead Sea. (In this whole zone, the Arab population was quite small - about 20,000.) In this zone, rural and urban settlements were to be erected according to security necessities, as well as in East Jerusalem. The other main aspect of the Allon Plan was to avoid the permanent acquisition by Israel of large blocks of land densely populated by Arabs. The densely populated Arab areas were closed to Jewish settlement during this period (1967-1977). Begin and his Herut (later part of Likud) opposed withdrawal from any of the territories of Palestine conquered in the 1967 war.

In the Yom Kippur War of 1973, the Arab armies - to general astonishment - had achieved strategic surprise. The occupied territories gave Israel room for maneuver, and allowed it time to recover from the surprise. If Israel did not have those occupied territories, Hussein (who kept out of the 1973 war because of Israel’s strong positions along the Jordan) might have joined in the fray, and the strong Egyptian forces moving out of Sinai might have taken the IDF by surprise in the Negev insteaad of on the Suez canal. To many Israelis, it was this occupation that saved Israel in 1973 from military defeat, followed by the extermination of the Jewish population.

After the Yom Kippur War, many Israelis were not inclined to listen to anything the Labor politicians said. The Labor leaders were held responsible for the near defeat. Begin and his followers now had the public ear, and they resisted the return of any part of the occupied territories. Three events of 1974 deepened the sense of siege. In May, fedayeen kidnapped 90 Israeli school children at Ma’alot. In the subsequent rescue operation by Israeli forces, 20 of them were killed. The organizers were well-known Palestinian “moderates” who had been in dialogue with Israeli doves. In October, the Arab Summit at Rabat recognized the PLO - the confederation of fedayeen groupings - as sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. And on November 13, Arafat, head of the PLO, received a standing ovation when he addressed the UN.

That’s the end of my summary, which discloses that the settlements were in sparsely populated places, until at least 1974, when the Likud took over the Israel government. The author then describes the Gush Emunim, a group of Jews who believed in squatting illegally in Arab-populated territory. It was the near defeat of Israel by the 1973 War combined with the kidnapping of the school children by “moderates” that was the cause of the hawkish ascendancy. So, at least for the first 10 years, the settlements were in sparsely populated areas, and if it weren’t for those settlements there probably would not be a Jewish Israel today.

Thanks for setting me straight, barbitu8. I have obviously been the unwitting victim of a massive fraud. One should never underestimate people’s ability to engage in deception, even to the extent of involving whole villiages, including the very young and the very old. I wonder how they organize something like that. Perhaps if I were not such a rube, I would not have been so taken in.

The Arabs are very good at propaganda; witness the massacre at Jenin (500 killed!), and to some extent they still maintain it was a massacre. Just check some of the Arab websites if you want to see propaganda at its best (worst?).

(well so much for this thread being different, sigh)

I, for one, would love it if people answered Paul’s questions, and to hell with who the land REAAAALLLLY belongs to.

What do “Settlers” do? Coming from the U.S., we have certain wild-west stereotypes in our heads.

Settlers:

  • run farms in the dustbowl
  • manage cattle ranches
  • keep saloons
  • mine for gold and silver
  • work as lumberjacks
  • etc.

I see it is still being used.

First, let me direct readers to the Israeli historian Benny Morris for a comprehensive set of works on the issue. Even handed, rigorously documented and showing command of the documentation in all major langauges relevant to the issues. He and others such as Friedman have addressed in a historically rigorous manner the “empty lands” myth along with the Arabs (non-Jewish Arabic speakers) leaving 1948/1967 Israel area ‘voluntarily’ or Arab agit prop agitating for the same - again all myths.

Second: On the usage of Palestine. False, the term was indeed applied to the area (roughly) and to the folks (roughly) pre-1960s, although it lacked the nationalist fervor that it does now. Xian Arabs of the area, for example, in the late 19th century published a paper called al-Filistine. Palestine, and the usage filistini for inhabitants of the region.

Third, leaving aside barbi’s agitprop, the ownership of the land is a confusing issue as I have documented with citations in the past. The overlapping problems are (a) Ottoman era land registers going into the colonial period, with unclear titles, overlapping titles and even fraudulent titles - a rather typical 3rd world issue actually, one can read up on ‘dead capital’ for the context outside of the region even. (b) Corruption in re the same and confusion in re application of what laws to title © Occupation and again the issue of title.

As a general matter it is rather false to assert this is all empty lands, that the sand niggers were all happy with the occupation or were just happy with their Israeli Massahs up to 2000 or that they were not subject to discriminatory practices (security e.g.). Justifiable, probably on many levels, the latter, but in regards to settlement expansion a bleeding sore.

I was using O’Brien’s book as a source, an independent Irish journalist. Later on in the book he did say that the Jews were building settlements near populated areas, but not in the populated areas. Regardless of who owned or owns this land, Israel deems occupation of certain sections as paramount to their viability. Barak offered to Arafat complete take-down of these settlements, but Arafat rejected this outright with no counter-proposal, returned home and instituted a new intifida. Israel never claimed title to this land.

So, could someone answer the original question, please! I’m also interested to know.