what is an hallucination, exactly?

It is grammatically correct to use either “a” or “an” before words beginning with “h”. It is up to the writer’s discretion. If the “h” is silent, you must use “an”. As in, “I spent an hour in grammar hell researching this.” (I didn’t research anything…start a new thread if I’m wrong.)

Back to the topic, drug-induced hallucinations don’t usually freak people out, it’s drug-induced panic attacks that do it. Most trippers I knew strove to have hallucinations…the mind-fuck seemed to be a secondary goal. For me personally, I preferred LSD because of the mind-fuck, but would occasionally eat a bunch of shrooms for the visuals. (An eighth of shrooms gave me better visuals than 10 hits of good acid.)

As far as how much LSD is scary to take, it is a catalyst for chemicals already present in the brain. Therefore, you cannot physically overdose - eventually there is no more chemical to catalyze (sp?). I’m not sure how much will give you the maximum effect, but when I took 10 it seemed only mildly stronger than when I took 4, so I wouldn’t worry too much about the fact that someone took 8, or 10, or whatever number it may be.

Before you ask, I probably ingested around three hundred total hits in roughly a hundred different trips in my lifetime, most recently 8 years ago. (Explaining my handle, which I’ve used since the eighties.)

Damn I miss Jerry. :frowning:

My girlfriend had a fever at some point that was so bad, she hallucinated. She told me about how there was some sort of war going on inside her house, and that she knew that it was all a hallucination, but was absolutely terrified nonetheless. According to her, it looked, sounded, and felt real as if it were really happening.

Yeah, beatnik, but the h in hallucination isn’t silent. Unless you’re a Cockney. Or an Italian.

In regards to my post and the shared hallucinations Id like to say there was no paranormal activity, it was just as stoyel described.

Personally, I don’t understand the people who feel that their drug-induced hallucinations have some sort of spiritual or philosophical significance. People - the drugs disturb the balance of chemicals in your brain. This causes your brain to malfunction in random ways. It’s not the secret of the universe, or a spiritual thing, any more than the lights you see when you press on your closed eyes are.

Personally, I don’t understand the people who feel that their riligious experiences have some sort of spiritual or philosophical significance.

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http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/neuro/neuronewswk.htm

Just a slight hijack - I know not getting sleep is bad for you, but are there any lasting effects if you get no sleep for say, a week? Assuming you resume your normal sleep pattern afterwards?

That’s an affect of the brain disturbance, it feels like a real spiritual experience.

Now, this brings up an interesting tangent–What is the cause of “spiritual” feelings and experiences? I’ve had many spiritual experiences, some induced by drugs, some by meditations, some by ritual. So what really is ‘spirit’? But that’s the topic for another thread.

Posing the question in terms of a spirit/body dichotomy is based on the Cartesian worldview. Is it spiritual? If so, it can’t be physical. Is it physical? If so, it can’t be spiritual.

An alternative interpretation of spiritual phenomena brought on by psychedelic substances in the brain is that what we call “spirit” and “matter” are not disjunct but form a single continuum, each one having a bearing on the other. This is the perspective of Tantric thought, for example. I find the research into the spiritual side of psychedelics in, for example, Huston Smith’s book Cleansing the Doors of Perception, fascinating in the potential to radically revise Cartesian assumptions about the relationship of spirit and matter. (Too bad this research is illegal. Still waiting for American civilization to leave the Dark Ages.)

KGS writes:

> Remember Semmelweis? He’s that 19th Century doctor who
> told everyone there were little bugs all over us called “germs”,
> and it was a good idea for doctors to wash their hands
> between performing an autopsy and doing surgery on a living
> patient. Nobody believed him, and everyone laughed at his
> ideas. I mean, come on. “TINY LITTLE BUGS YOU CAN’T EVEN
> SEE? How can those POSSIBLY kill you, even if they really
> existed??” Poor Ignaz went insane, and ultimately cut his finger
> with a dirty knife, which got infected with sepsis and killed him.
> So, in a way, his own “delusional” reality killed him.

I had never heard this story about Semmelweis before, so I Googled to see what I could find on the Internet about him. Semmelweis did experiments in the hospital where he worked that showed that the death rate for woman giving birth went down dramatically if the doctors washed their hands beforehand. He avocated this for some years among other doctors, eventually publishing a book about it. The majority of doctors disagreed with him. What the doctors who opposed him truly objected to was not the existence of germs. What they were bothered by was the fact that they would have to wash their hands between operations. They just didn’t want to be bothered. Interestingly, some of this feeling still persists. Of course before an operation the doctors wash their hands quite thoroughly now. However, there are still some who don’t wash them between examinations of patients. The problem is laziness, not unwillingness to believe a theory of disease.

Semmelweis did have a nervous breakdown towards the end of his life. What caused it is hard to say. Generally just oppostion from other people is not sufficient to cause a mental breakdown. There has to be some sort of inborn tendency to mental problems. In any case, he was in a mental asylum with all the typical problems of asylums then. He was beaten by guards when they restrained him. His wounds became infected and he died.

Within a few decades several other doctors rediscovered the principle of washing hands before doing an operation and it soon became the standard procedure.

According to M-W, [ib]hallucination** is perception of objects with no reality. So far, I haven’t “hallucinated” on LSD. Things have just been a lot more vibrant.

How would you people define an hallucination ?

I am schizophrenic and I have had auditory hallucinations. Not a good experience, when you are already paranoid and you have voices - clearer than any voices you have ever heard - telling you stuff you don’t want to hear.

I can understand people wanting to hallucinate, but this is one way you just don’t want to.

A good way of thinking of hallucinations is a dream while awake. Imagine all the imagery you see in a dream is suddenly ‘seen’ while awake. That is a hallucination.

Now, just like you can sometimes have a dream and be awake enough to know it’s a dream (called a lucid dream), someone who’s hallucinating (from drugs or mental illness or lack of sleep, ect…) may be able to realize that the hullucination is not real. However, just like sometimes in dreams you don’t realize you’re dreaming and you just react to the dream, so, too, some experiences of hallucination are such that the hullucinator beleives that the hallucination is really real and reacts to it as such.

Also, while dreams are mostly visible in nature, you can dream you hear things, smell things, taste things, feel (touch) things, feel (emotions) things, think things, believe things. And so, too with hallucinations – you can hear, smell, taste, touch, think, feel, emote, think, and believe hallucinations.

Hallucinations of the emotional, thought, and belief kind are called delusions and are often paranoid in nature, especially when the hallucinator believes so strongly they’re real while everyone else is telling them they’re wrong – you can see the basis for believing there is a conspiracy, which feeds into the current halucinogenic episode.

I see peace, and it’s orangey-bluish, and tastes of chair.

A hallucination is the interpretation by the brain of internal neural activity as sensory input. It can be a modification of normal sensory input, or it can be entirely unrelated to sensory input, aside from the fact that it is perceived to be from external sources. Some drugs, some types of psychosis, certain types of seizure activity, and sleep deprivation can all cause hallucinations.

A delusion is an interpretation imposed upon extant sensory perceptions, whether accurate or hallucinatory. An illusion is the interpretation of the brain that causes one set of sensory inputs to appear as another sensory input. This is generally caused by deliberate deception, or willing suspension of skeptical consideration. Illusion allows us to see what we expect, or want, when given stimulus sufficiently close to our expectations that the brain can fill in the missing or “incorrect” information to provide us with sound and sight images. Hallucination may well include much of the same type of processing by the brain.

Tris

Can be either/or with the same person. When I had a high fever and saw pretty dancing lights in a friend’s old-fashioned ratiator, I thought they were real. Several people telling me otherwise got me to grudgingly accept that they were not.

When I took Ambien (never again!) and had severe hallucinations about things like 5’ spiders crawling the ceiling, a giant hand trying to get me and people crowding around my bed etc, I knew instantly they were not real. Not only did I just ingest a prescription drug, there was so much going on that was so weird that I couldn’t believe it was real. This knowledge, however, didn’t make it any less scary since I couldn’t make them go away.
Actually, it made it a lot scarier than the fever one, since I was quite happy to believe in a mildly abnormal occurence in the first case.

hallucination to large extent is loosing reality with the world activities and at this stage it is harmful so one must seek medical advuice .almost everybody hallucinate but in most cases it is called controlled hallucination that is fantansy but when it gets out of hand it turns into an illness.
vatsy

I am not a doctor.

That said: shared hallucinations are a rare form of a shared psychiatric disorder or, to use the older, more romantic name, folie a deux. Usually shared disorders take the form of a shared delusion; that is a belief without external justification. An extremely well-known instance was the case of Bo and Peep, the founders of the “Heaven’s Gate” UFO movement which eventually ended in a mass suicide.

Such phenomena most often occur between a dominant personality, often someone who is schizophrenic, and a partner who is a subordinate in the relationship.

Although much rarer, shared hallucinations are well-documented. Sometimes a person may be deluded that they remember having had the same “vision” or other experience as another person, but it is well-established that two people can have the same hallucination at the same time.

Or perhaps we should say “more-or-less the same hallucination”. Mass religious visions make an interesting source for study. People who were at Fatima, Portugal on the day that the sun “danced in the sky” are said to have later given widely divergent descriptions of what St. Mary was supposed to look like, although they were able to take their cue as to where she was by observing the children who were said to be in a religious ecstasy. (People who are disposed to believe in the Fatima visions can, of course, argue that the experience of the children was genuine, but that some of the onlookers were merely victims of the power of suggestion).

Shared hallucinations arise when people are under unusual stresses, such as the influence of certain drugs. The general opinion seems to be that the phenomenon is similar to shared delusions; one person generally takes on a dominant role, and convinces the other person that they are seeing the same thing–although their descriptions of what they saw may differ widely in details later.

When I was about seven–this was in the early 60s–there was a tense drama played out over many days as rescue workers searched for possible survivors of a coal mine disaster in the eastern United States. It was thought that three men might have survived, and that two of them would be together.

It was my family’s habit to listen to the news on the radio at dinner time, and I remember hearing updates on the story night after night. The two men who had been trapped together were eventually rescued. And they told a hair-raising story about something which had happened to them during their confinement which has stayed with me ever since.

One day they saw that there was a door in the wall of the shaft where they were trapped. Somehow they had never noticed that before. It opened, and the other miner–the one who was never rescued, walked past them and went through it. There was a stairway inside, and the two men were agreed that it led to a mine building with which they were familiar. The door shut behind them, and they damaged their hands as they clawed at the wall trying to open it again.

Yes: one miner had noticed the door before the other, and had described what he was seeing.

It seems to me that a great many shared delusions are of a more mundane and benign nature.

After the novelist James T. Farrell died in 1978, a movie critic (it was Siskel or Ebert; I’m sorry, but I don’t remember which) wrote an article in which he told about how he and Studs Terkel had once shown a British writer around Chicago. When Terkel told her that he had gotten his name from Farrell’s character Studs Lonigan, the woman had said that the one thing she wanted to see before leaving Chicago was the park bench where Studs Lonigan and Lucy Scanlan kissed for the first time. Farrell tended to be exact in his description of real places, and after a search, they found it.

I though this was a charming story: here all three of these people knew perfectly well that Lucy and Studs were fictitious characters, but they went on a kind of pilgrimage to find the park bench anyway.

I still found the story charming after I read the Studs Lonigan Trilogy and learned two things. First, Lucy and Studs kissed for the first time at the Lonigan house. Second, nowhere in any of the three novels do the two of them sit together on a park bench. Yet three very people familiar with the novels were apparently able to convince themselves that they remembered reading this after one of them described it.

Similarly, around 1979 a reporter for The St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote a column in which she said she had met a man who asked pretty much everyone he met if they had read a novel which began “Winter came late that year.” He said that lots of people said it sounded familiar, but nobody could tell him what the book was.

Searching for the book became a kind of protracted treasure hunt in and around St. Louis for a period of months, but no one ever found a book with that opening line. My guess is that there never was one, and the phrase seems so plausible as an opening line that many people convinced themselves that they remembered it when they didn’t. I’ve suspected that it may even be that the columnist made up the story about meeting a young man who wanted to find the book.

And then there was Charles Fort’s story about the couple who complained to the management that the floor of their hotel room was missing…