Some minority groups are bad at math…so it must be racist.
It’s worse than mere B.S. Instead of critically and candidly acknowledging that the academy and, yes, in particular the mathematics community suffers from problems with sexism and racism (not to mention politics) like everybody else and needs to confront them, which would be laudable, someone had the disgusting effrontery to suggest mathematics “carries human biases” just like the Nazis determined to support “Aryan mathematics” instead of that degenerate “Franco-Jewish” stuff. At least, that is the natural association to be made from statements phrased like that. One can substitute any academic field, it’s not even a coherent statement about mathematics.
CRT doesn’t do this. I find your uncited and unsupported opinions unconvincing.
So, what is your un-sourced cite of that then again? No I’m not referring to the efforts you think are so clear, I want to see what CRT proponents do say.
Since CRT has contributed to splinter groups focused on Asian American, Latino, and Indian racial experiences. I think you are not misremembering, it is just your ignorance once again.
Not sure I would depend on someone that thinks that differences in IQ comes from race.
We had many discussions before in the SDMB to realize that that pointing at IQ as coming from biology is a position based more on faith indeed.
While I reported that I agree that that nutpick was nonsense, I however still has not seen some cite that the CRT proponents agree with that.
I don’t think anything would convince you.
Can you point out where it says that white hispanics make more than asians? I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about.
You have no idea who the duck he is do you?
You are less convincing when the critic you pointed out is a follower of racists like Charles Murray.
Yes I do, it is clear that the very point of CRT does elude you when you willfully ignore that there are respected people out there that do follow racist claptrap.
Clearly you are trying here to ignore what I said there, again, CRT has helped groups focused on Asian Americans too, it is not only for Blacks or Hispanics.
No doubt you have it pegged. And a genuine critique of the influence of racism on the metaphysics of mathematics and other disciplines, and on the directions and principles they follow, would be interesting and potentially important. But the nutty sentence (in a statement signed by an impressive-sounding list of Presidents, Chairmen, and Directors of the MAA!) is Not Even Wrong, and we should not be surprised that serious proponents and scholars do not agree with it, to the extent there is anything to agree or disagree with.
I will have to say that then what you say in the last sentence is problematic in the sense that the ones that concentrate on a line like that are falling into a fallacy, it is a version of the Nirvana fallacy, applied as: demanding perfection and tossing away the good. Coupled also with: is the maker of the nutty line related to the serious scholars proposing CRT?
I think another thing to consider here is that, for example, James Watson (of DNA fame) was stripped of many of the honors he got because of his indefensible racism, but it does not remove the good things he did nor it would be good to then dismiss in total the institutions he belonged to.
I do not think the MAA or their efforts that turn out to be sincere should be dismissed. I am even willing to believe the “nutty” line is merely the result of unfortunate phrasing that slipped through the editing, and that I was reading way too much into it by taking it out of context like that. If someone pointed to just that line as evidence that the entire MAA is a bunch of dismissible idiots and, since the statement mentions CRT, that CRT must be idiotic and anti-science to boot, that would be quite dishonest.
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So, what is your un-sourced cite of that then again? [/quote]
I don’t know what the fuck an “un-sourced cite” is but you know very well from the thread that spawned this one that NYC and Fairfax County VA are launching a woke
war on Asian educational excellence in the name of racial quotas.
A white teacher - a TEACHER! - railing against Asians who “come here however they come here” and have the gall to encourage their children to do well at school - I guess it disturbs her ideal job where she gets $80K to propagate a culture of failure and the union makes her unfirable. The language used about immigrants in general and Asians in particular here is straight-up racist. Under “critical race theory,” which purports to have discovered racism, not a peep is said because disparaging Asians is a key part of the program. https://twitter.com/coalitionforTJ/status/1313762324805750784
You don’t want to acknowledge what is actually being DONE, in reality, you want to hide behind what a notoriously ideological, anti-reality movement CLAIMS to want. OK. And China isn’t committing a genocide right now because they say they’re dedicated to equality. Case closed.
Again, I asked for what the scholars working with CRT are thinking about the incident you are talking about, none of your cites point to what CRT scholars are making of that item, the closest I have have seen so far is that there are complains about some books that were made by writers that are involved in CRT that are being proposed to the used in the schools, again you are just condemning the whole of CRT just by association.
And your closing case is just pathetic.
And why? Because you did not bother to check what the scholars that use CRT do report about the Uyghurs.
FIRE: Forum for International Research in Education Vol. 5, Iss. 1, 2019, pp. 22-43 CONTROLLING RELIGIOUS KNOWLEDGE AND EDUCATION FOR COUNTERING RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM: CASE STUDY OF THE UYGHUR MUSLIMS IN CHINA Dilmurat Mahmut
Significance and Conclusion
Access to religious knowledge and education has always been strictly controlled in the history of the People’s Republic of China. This has been particularly evident in the case of the Uyghurs who have been subject to waves of differing political rhetoric and increasingly tight policy measurements around Islamic knowledge and education. Most recently, the supposed link between Islamic knowledge or religiosity and violent extremism or terrorism reinforced by the global “war on terror” discourse has resulted in an unprecedented degree of repressions over the basic Uyghur human rights, since the end of the Great Cultural Revolution
WTF? You specifically said that white hispanics make more than asians. I don’t see where in your article it says that.
Crt does nothing for asians. crt did not invent the criticisms of model minority sterotypes. crt did not discover that racism against asians existed. All crt seems to do is promote anecdote over data and parable over logical reasoning. And while these things are useful in explaining the black/white disparity, it is utterly useless in explaining other disparities like the vietnamese/mexican disparity.
CRT clearly focused on the black/white dynamic.
“CRT focuses on the Black–White paradigm”
Regardless of what you think of posner’s racism, how does that make his criticism any less valid?
BTW, I feel I must defend posner here, his position on race and IQ are pretty clear:
“His view in this regard is undergirded by his view that different races differ in intelligence. (However, Posner says that he thinks it is “highly unlikely” that these differences are rooted in genetics, rather than environment.)”
This race to tar anyone you disagree with as a racist is condemning one of the most influential proponents of abortion (including late term abortion), decriminalization of drugs, gay rights, and my personal favorite the abolition of bluebooking.
More ignorance from you then.
In this review, the author incorporates her own personal narrative into the discussion as a way of enriching and contextualizing the intersection of critical race theory, Asian Americans, and higher education. From the issues explored in this paper, two key themes emerged: 1) Asian Americans should not be considered as one monolithic group, but rather their educational experiences and outcomes should be disaggregated and 2) issues of race and racism, particularly as it challenges the model minority stereotype, should be addressed openly.
Conclusion
CRT and AsianCrit empower researchers to critically engage in a discussion about racial issues. Doing so is an imperative for working toward eliminating racism and proceeding in the direction of social justice. From the issues explored in this paper, two key themes emerged: 1) Asian Americans should not be considered as one monolithic group, but rather their educational experiences and outcomes should be disaggregated and 2) issues of race and racism, particularly as it challenges the model minority stereotype, should be addressed openly. Disaggregating the data is important for achieving more thoughtful understanding of the issues facing Asian Americans, but at the same time the danger this renders is the loss of a collective political voice. Indeed, individual ethnic subgroups may not have the political power necessary to combat racism and inequality. Nevertheless, recognizing that Asian Americans are not one uniform model minority is essential for better understanding this population.
Missing the point here too, a racist that agrees with me (in all those items) is still a racist.
From Public Values in Constitutional Law, by Stephen E. Gottlieb
The "Nothing Works” Problem
Judge Posner* has told us for good measure that government policies and programs for the poor are for the most part not helpful. And has announced flatly that AFDC subsidizes out - of - wedlock children.
These statements are of concern on three levels . One , they are mostly incorrect , which would not be especially terrible if Judge Posner were still Professor Possner. But two, they reveal* carelessness on the part of a sitting federal Judge. And , three , since the* same unquestioning adoption of right wing shibboleths is characteristic of reigning conservative ideology , they represent the myth - laden politics of the conservative judiciary generally.
This is not just a case of differing values and competing stories to explain and interpret the same set of facts . Judge Posner has bought into a line , espoused especially by Charles Murray that has been repeatedly and effectively discredited.