What is Gaybashing Like?

When Hamish was living in Vancouver, he was out having coffee with a friend named Brian. While they were sitting on the terrace (too cold to be out there, really, but it was their ritual), Brian looked at a police officer sitting in a restaurant terrace opposite. The cop’s older colleague came over and said that if Brian didn’t stop looking him, he would drive Brian out to the UBC campus, where there were no buses at that hour, and leave him there on that cold night. Basically threatening extrajudicial execution by exposure.

Not quite what you asked, but close enough.

iampunha: was that in the US? It’s illegal to deny visitation rights to a parent (unless there is a court ruling to that effect, but that’s pretty rare… usually they rule for supervised visitation and stuff… and that’s for things like parents who molested their kids!)

OpalCat, “supervised visitation” is, for all purposes, no visitation: generally, this means either having to put up with the other parent or one of his/her relatives being around the whole time, or else paying $15 to $30 an hour to a professional supervisor to “supervise” the visit (this cost to be borne by the noncustodial parent).

Well, Opal, this great state, back in the mid 90s (don’t know if it’s still the case), still was rather sympathetic to the heterosexual member of any marriage that dissolved because of sexuality. Plus the judge (his/her thoughts here, not mine) felt that it was, IIRC, dangerous for the kids to be around someone who chose that kind of a sinful lifestyle.

Again, though, I guess the money the guy made wasn’t gay enough to scar the kids or mother for life. From what I’ve been told of the custody agreement (and the guy, though a very dear friend of mine, still doesn’t like going into any detail about it. Rightfullt so), it was such that he isn’t allowed to have any contact with his kids until they’re (individually, not as a group) 18, at which point they can make their own decisions. One of his kids, at least, is now 18, and from what I gather was not as disgusted by his father’s sexuality as his mother is, but whether that’s parleyed itself into a visit or two I’ve no idea.

Yeah, it sucks most of the time. To sum it up.

Leifsmama it sounds like your friend is an amazing person and her friendship is worth pursuing. I’m just wondering, have you tried to contact her recently? Maybe she really needed you to go out of your way convincing her you still wanted to be her friend, since all her previous experiences coming out were negative.

Wow, I wish I had seen this thread much sooner. I haven’t been around much lately as I have finally found a companion and we spend a great deal of time together. I wanted to contribute somehow though.

I was never really gay-bashed, primarily because I would have never even considered letting anyone know I was gay. I went to extreme measures to appear straight, following sports, dating females, making the occasional “Hey, check her out” comment. It was all for survival purposes and living so deep in a lie is what almost killed me. I can vividly recall walking home from school one day and having this jock-type come up to me on his bicycle. He was being very friendly to me, something very out of character. He was making small talk and then bluntly asked me if I was gay. When I said no, he tried to assure me that it didn’t matter to him at all and it was ok, he just “wanted to know”. I denied it over and over and finally he went away. The incident really bothered me though. I know that if I had been truthful, it would have been a nightmare.

So I went through life, denying my true self to anyone. As I kept living this lie, my self-esteem plunged so low that I started taking drugs like they were going out of style, most notably cocaine. I just didn’t care if I lived or died. Finally, when I hit the lowest point in my life, I decided to just go for broke and tell the people I cared about the truth. Thats when I started living again. They all have been so wonderful and supportive. I realized that there are people out there who couldn’t care less whether I am gay or not and it was a real eye-opener. When I found my current boyfriend, they all welcomed him with open arms.

My boyfriend is 22 and was the president of his GSA in high school. He has been out since he was 15 and has never been gay-bashed. I was in awe when he told me this because it was such a foreign concept to me. It also gave me some hope that maybe things are getting a little better. I could have never found the courage to do what he did. He lives in a better time.

And yet, we still do not hold hands in public or generally show much affection in unfamiliar surroundings and I hate that we have to be so careful. How could holding someones hand be so threatening to some people. But it is. Still, we are loved and accepted by many people who don’t care at all that we express affection in front of them and they are straight. So it gives me a bit of hope that things are moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.

I’m just rambling now but wanted to throw my experience into the mix and also bump this important thread.

I tend to witness some verbal gaybashing in my work , out of 5 waiters and 4 cooks, 1 lesbian, 2 transexuals,and one gay male.

Most of the time these ignorant old southern women will refuse to have any of the 3 wait on them, it turns my stomach when a someone will flag me down and they always say the same thing “I dont want that thing to wait on me” when one of the 2 transexuals goes up to them. I seriuosly HATE working in the south, if I idnt need the money, I would have quit the first day that i heard someone say that. If I wasnt sucjh a nice person I would put every vile substance I could think of into their food.I always want to, but I could losse my job. Most of the time the rest of us who are “Allowed” to wait on thses fucks at least make sure that their food is ice cold and their service is minimum. It’s the least we can do for having to see our friends cry whenever someone treats them less than human.

What a thread.

I must say, I would never have known what it was like to be the target of such irrational hatred - except that it happened to me.

I should start by saying that I am not gay. I am in fact happily married, and straight. However, almost twenty years ago, five drunk college goons in a car must have thought I was gay - because they did their level best to beat me up for this “crime”.

I was waiting, partly drunk and stoned, for a night bus at the time - alone, at around 1 am (the street was quite busy with cars, but few people were out walking). I see this car crammed with drunken idiots go by, and think nothing of it … then the car circles the block and comes back. This time, the windows were open and beer bottles were thrown at me, to the accompanyment of a rousing chorus of “die, fag! we’re gonna kill you, fag!”. None hit, but I certainly was getting nervous.

The car circled the block again, and came right up and stopped - one of the goons got out (the rest for reasons known only to themselves stayed in the car). Goon number one yelled, “I’m gonna fuck you, fag!” (which I thought a very strange thing to say). This fine fellow aimed a swing at my head, which caught me on the ear, which stung but otherwise was surprisingly ineffectual (he was a big lout but very drunk) - I just pushed at his chest and he tripped over the curb and fell on his ass. Dispite my fear I was thinking “this is more like a Laurel and Hardy routine than I fight” when the four other goons started to get out of the car - and they had baseball bats.

I decided this was not a healthy place to linger, and ran for it - right into the middle of the road. It was lucky for me that I did. I highly recommend this strategy. I stood on the center line, while cars whizzed by - and the goons were obviously reluctant to follow me there. No doubt they felt that beating me on the sidewalk was one thing, but beating me in the middle of a busy road was bound to attract attention.

This standoff was ended by the timely arrival of my bus. Amazingly, even after I got on, the idiots still followed the bus, yelling obscenities and waving fists and bats. The driver very kindly wrote down their license plate number, the make of car, etc. and called the cops on his radio (I have nothing but praise for this driver’s actions). By the time the cops showed up, these guys were of course long gone.

The story has a happy ending in one sense - I was not in fact hurt, other than a thick ear. But I easily could have been. Less happily, the cops phoned a couple of days later to say that the license number did not match the make of car, so they would not make charges. I knew this was bullshit - I could tell by the cop’s voice. It was a nice car, so I am guessing that it was borrowed from “daddy” who was someone rich, and the cops told “daddy” but did not want to press the matter further - especially when “the fag” (meaning myself) had not actually come to harm.

What I remember most about the incident was how very, very angry I was - more so I think than scared (though I was plenty scared). How dare those punks attack me for no reason or their own entertainment? Bastards. Secondly, I remember how abjectly humiliating it was to have to run from those rat-bastards. I felt somehow that it was cowardly to let them push me around like that - though I knew thinking this way was pure idiocy (I am a reasonably large guy, but have zero experience fighting, and if I had stuck around I would no doubt have been killed).

For months afterwards, I carried around a cannister of pepper spray. I would have gotten a handgun, if they were available. Though thinking about it in retrospect, it is a good thing I didn’t have one at the time - I can fully see the temptation to use one, I was so scared and angry I would have shot them down. Which would be unfortunate, for me.

Anyway, every time I read about gay-bashing I think - that was me.

My God! I’m so sorry to you all that you’ve had idiots behave this way toward you!!!

To quote the old joke, her probable response (and can you blame her?) will be: "In what?"

Let me tell you about some people…
I’ve changed their names because I’m telling one or two personal stories.

Meet Jane. She’s a pretty straight girl for all her bi protestations (a 2 at most on the Kinsey scale). She’s also the current president of my college’s GSA, and often a rabid defender of gay rights and gay people. She comes down very hard on verbal abuse, and I’m sure would do the same on physical assault.

Meet her boyfriend, John. His roommate not only came out to him, but also came on to him. Instead of flipping out, John considered whether he’d mind giving things a shot, and decided that no he wouldn’t. So he kissed said roommate to find out whether it did anything for him, and turns out it didn’t. Such is life (he’s cute too, dammit). He’s been an on-again, off-again member of the GSA even after he graduated from college.

These are just two examples I decided to bring up in such a dark thread to remind that even in the deepest, coldest, night, there’s always someone willing to leave their warm shelter and carry a torch to help you find safety.

If we forget the good in the world, in people, evil truly wins.

Most of my experiences with straight people have been supportive and helpful. However, it’s those times when there was verbal abuse or physical violence that stand out. I can’t say for sure that those were straight people, but their assertion was that they were.

For a truly grim non-fiction read, try Eight Bullets. I’m having my doctoral psychology students read it in the fall for an Advanced Interventions class.

I’m new enough to the board I hadn’t seen this thread before. All I can say is, wow. The depths of human cruelty are appalling.

I do have a positive contribution to make, though. My 82-year-old mom in recent years has become an outspoken advocate of gay rights and acceptance of gays. She not only encouraged her church to actively seek gay members, and not only marches in the Seattle Gay Pride parade each year (if you see a little old lady in a wheelchair there this year, it’s probably her!), but has been adopted by a group of young gay men as their grandma. Apparently none of them were ever able to come out to their own grandparents, and for the first time in their life have the opportunity to spoil a little old lady. And spoil her they do – and she loves every minute of it!

Needless to say, I’m very proud of her. (And if anybody else wants an Adopt-A-Grandma, let me know!)

I’m straight but I’ve had a lot of gay friends, of both sexes, as well as having a lesbian cousin whose family is quite accepting of her and her partner (and their daughter) – except that they never quite come out and say she’s gay. But even my 102-year-old grandmother knows she’s gay and doesn’t have a problem with it. I guess I come from a strange family – but strange in a good way!

I’ve never seen gaybashing like the stories on this board. But I do know that just hearing about it has strengthened my resolve to never sit idly by if I do see something happen. You guys are incredible.

I posted this originally in October 2000. Awhile ago, matt_mcl asked me about putting it in this thread, and as I have the time and energy to do it, I am.

I live in Corvallis, Oregon, home of Oregon State University. 50,000 people and the home of Hewlett Packard.

On a Friday morning in 1997, I was going to a business meeting at the local public library because I was going to be designing their website. There were some teenagers on my path bothering people and they tried to get in my way. I quickly walked around them and they called me a fag. I replied to them: “And your point is?” and kept walking to my appointment.

After my meeting, which was two hours later, I was going back home. It was 12:30 in the afternoon and I was walking through the park to get back home so I could work. The kids had migrated there.

They started shouting after me things like “Hey faggot.” I turned on them and said how pathetic it was on their second day of spring vacation that they were harassing adults and they needed lives. They followed after me and began spitting on me. I turned on them and doused the lot with a nearly full 32 oz Coke. Then I said: “Now that’s funny.”

I walked across the street from the park and then this 16 year old girl who was 5’2" gets in my 6’4" way and starts saying: “What’s your problem, faggot?” Everytime I tried to walk around her, she got back in front of me and then started swinging on me. She kept missing until finally she connected and then I backhanded her to get her away from me. That was when her six male friends jumped on me. The nine year old grabbed my glasses and ground them into the concrete. Then the rest attempted to beat me into submission. I kicked one in the chest and fended the rest off the best I could until the police showed up. There were plenty of witnesses. Plenty.

The ringleader was caught and I prosecuted them on the Oregon Hate Crimes statute. They recieved court ordered therapy, sensitivity training, and two years of probation, as well as an order to stay fifty feet away from me at all times. The ringleader tried to claim she wasn’t a homophobe and that she never said anything homophobic. I pointed out to the judge that as the park was two blocks away from the courthouse, that had he been the one walking through the park, that he could have been on the recieving end of what I endured.

I was nervous for weeks afterward, and held on to a pepper spray can whenever I left the house for a few months. Ironically, as I have lived in a few major cities across the country, it was only here that I had anyone be bold enough to attack me. After the glasses incident, I rarely leave the house wearing them and put in my contacts no matter what.

Flash forward to 2001. Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, often fatigued, and with some severe impairments in walking, coordination, and upper body strength on the right side.

I almost always wear my glasses now because to put in my contacts requires more fine motor control than I can generally muster.

With my cane, I move at a much slower rate of speed, and with a reduced reaction time.

I feel far less safe now than what I did three years ago.

Were it to come to a physical confrontation, I do not have the security of knowing I could run if all else failed.

I do not live in fear, yet I am not blind to te fact that I’m not in the position to defend myself as I once did.

I have my house set up so were someone to attack me or to break into my house, I have ways to protect myself. I refuse to live in fear and focus on my weaknesses.

I have a friend who jumped off the roof of a shopping complex when he was in his final year of high school. He was vicecaptain of the school, popular, smart, friendly, and a talented musician.
He stuck his head in his schoolbag and jumped off the rooftop (in excess of 10 floors) because his devoutly religious family had told him what a sick pervert he was when he came out to them.

I had someone attempt to rape me “because all you need is a good man and then you’ll realise you’re straight”

My school forbid me to attend my senior formal (prom to north americans) with my date of choice (a girl) and in my clothing of choice (a tux).

I’m the chair of student council at my university, and at council earlier this year, when I stumbled over part of a document I was reading out, a member of an opposing political faction screamed out “learn to read, you dumb lesso bitch! If you got a real man, maybe he’d teach you how to read!” These same people like to follow me when I have to walk around the campus at night, making threatening gestures, and one followed me off-campus to where my car was parked, yelling threatening statements.

Many other things have happened to me and my friends, but I am too tired at heart to write about them now.

I can’t believe some people can do stuff like this.

:frowning:

I don’t know if anyone has previously posted it in this thread (I don’t have time to read back through every entry) but the movie Boys Don’t Cry, about Brandon Teena, is based on a true story.

God.
Reading these stories makes me equally enraged and depressed. So much hatred, so much ignorance. Absolutely un-fucking-believable. Goddamnit.

Wish I could express myself more coherently, but I’m at a loss for words.

Well reading all this posts makes me realize that my own gaybashing experiences are nothing compared to what so many of you have dealt with. But since we are all sharing I feel I should add my own experiences.

I have only been “out” for a year now. March of last year was a hard month and I realized how unhappy I was and that I was hiding my sexuality from not only my friends but myself. I finally admitted it to myself and dealt with the stresses of possibly loosing my friends and family well into July when finally I blurted it out to a friend. Within a few months all my friends knew and surprisingly to me everyone accepted it with open arms.

About 9 months later I finally found myself with a girlfriend (A fellow doper) who lives in Ontario. She came to visit and I was faced with the possiblity of people reacting badly while we were in public. I live in Montreal (Canada) and I have to say that this is one of the most open cities in the world. Not one bad remark, not one sneer or glance. It was great.

Then I went to visit her in a small Ontarian town. One morning we went to a dinner for brunch. My baby and I sat there holding hands. Not doing anything other couples wouldnt do. The waitress took or plates and my girlfriend asked for a tea. A few minutes later the waitress walked over through us our bill and walked away, obviously wanting us to leave. I was hurt but Emma and I just shrugged it off, trying to enjoy out weekend together. The next day we were in a coffee shop and an older couple sitting infront of us kept pointing and looking discusted whenever they looked our way. It made me feel dirty, like I had no right to be there with Emma. All I was doing was holding her hand!

I found all of this very hard. I am still going through the stress of trying to tell my parents (because Emma is moving in with me) and I have very strong feelings that she wont accept it. I grew up in a house that, when playing the game “life:”, I jokingly put another man in my dads care said, “I’m not a queer.” Yep, this is going to go well!

So thats my story…