What is Rosicrucianism all about?

Just a few comments on your post on Rosicrucianism which might assist to improve it.

Aleister Crowley was in the Ordo Templis Orientis and HS Lewis of AMORC was really only an honorary member.

Lewis received recognition from the leader of the group, Theodore Reuss, in 1921 or thereabouts. He never worked OTO rituals. (source Robert Vanloo)

Crowley prepared a charter giving Lewis full rights to work the system in 1918, an offer he never made to anyone else; FWIW this does support the idea that Lewis had real ‘occult’ power or abilities; though it does not seem that this charter was ever received by Lewis. (sources Vanloo, Milko Boogaard)

AMORC’s claim of ‘legitimacy’ does not mean much in any context outside the group’s own myth. You’re correct on that. Lewis derived his claim of links to the Rosicrucians of antiquity from his having made the acquaintance of some ‘Rosicrucians’ in Toulouse in 1909.

This story has always been controversial; Lewis certainly knew these individuals names, but he spelt them wrong and at one stage brandished an obviously false charter allegedly signed by them (it disappeared fast when Crowley pointed out that it was written in exceedingly bad French.) (sources Vanloo, Elias Ibrahim)

Calling yourself an ‘order’ means nothing in Rosicrucianism - indeed many commentators say you shouldn’t even use the name Rosy Cross at all !

RW Little was not connected to the Golden Dawn, though Wynn Westcott certainly was.

We (I’m a member of the SRIA) were not authorised by the ‘FUDOSFI’. SRIA has no connection with them at all.

‘FUDOSFI’ was set up by Reuben Swinburne Clymer (who claimed to carry PB Randolph’s mantle) and some Martinist orders around Lyon in France, as an opposing federation to the FUDOSI of AMORC and it only met a couple of times I think, around 1939.

My basis for commenting - I’m an SRIA member and a former member of AMORC. I am also a member of the CR+C which continues HS Lewis’ initiatic lineage.

I hope this assists.

Scaro

Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Board scaro. It’s customary to post a link to the staff report on which you comment. I think this is it: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mrosicrucian.html

I knew you were going to say that.

I’ve been a member of OTO and Golden Dawn branches/camps/lodges/temples, and while they do have some ‘occult’ knowledge ie magickal systems that hang together to form a coherent system, the organizations are in a constant state of bicker over who’s more legitimate, who decended from who, ‘Fine, I’m splitting and forming my own branch’, ‘I excommunicate your branch, and declare it void’, ‘Fine, form your own branch, we didn’t want you around anyway’. It’s very much like a bunch a sixth graders with their secret clubs, only in sillier clothes. You can easily skip grades and initiation requirements if they like or need you. After a while a gave it up for Discordianism, which is, at least, honest in it’s absurdity. Pomposity and self importance reign in hermetic circles, of which Rosicrucianism in it’s modern incarnation is an offshoot.

My two cents.

Oh, they’re like Baptists! :wink:

I’m interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Never mind. Found it.

Heh. So Umberto Eco got it right?

They wish they were half so historic, esoteric, or evocative. Foucault that, and the Horse it Rose in on.

Oh, and at the risk of being torn apart by invisible dogs in the town square, most of these highly held secrets revolve around sex magic. Rose + Cross can mean Vagina plus Penis. Throw in a little tantra,(notice the Far Eastern trappings that are so popular?), methods for focusing the energy towards goals, reveal it a little at a time… voila, heirarchal mystic society.

Your post is a minor variation on a classic theme. Maybe there should be a sticky about posting a link to the staff report.

::ducks and runs::

Another invisible sticky? :wink: