So what is the difference?
The Mafia is technically a very specific term applying only to a certain Sicilian group. The New York families (Gambino, Luchese, Columbo, etc) are mostly Mafia, or were at one time. In its early incarnation, it was very ritualistic, and very ethnically exclusive.
The mob is a more general term describing organized crime in general. At one time, there was specific Jewish mobs, Irish mobs, etc. The Capone organization (called “The Outfit”) was not Mafia, because Capone was Neopolitan, and it included Jews and Irishmen high in the organization. It also never had the degree of ritual that Mafia had.
For much of the twentieth century, you had the more Mafia oriented groups controlling New York, the upper East coast and New Orleans, while the Chicago outfit controlled the Midwest, with Nevada and the West Coast up for grabs.
It all gets pretty hazy when people like Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky built a national crime syndicate including Sicilian, Italian, Jewish and Irish mobsters. The old style Mafia became less Sicilian and more multiethnic, to the point where you can truthfully say that there is no Mafia…at least in terms of a strictly traditional Sicilian outfit.
The term “Mafia” has expanded to include any organized crime in the U.S. The fictional but realistic Soprano family refers to itself as Mafia even though they are really Neopolitan. Nowadays, Mafia-Mob people base themselves more on the Godfather and Goodfellas than they do the ancient rituals of the old country.
Of course, there is still real Mafia in Sicily, real Sicilians with all of the old traditions.
Does that answer your question or just muddy the waters even further?
Silvio,
That is a great and very elegant answer! Please know that I would never, ever disrespect you on this board or any other. Your trust is safe with me. 
Let me add many kisses to your pinky ring.
The Jewish branch of the mob is the kosher nostra
Don Silvio,
Does this mean that they are Camorra?
To be officially part of a family you must be Italian. You also need to be a “made man.” It used to be to become a made man you had to kill someone - they called that “making your bones” but they got rid of that requirement. I have heard that if you are “made” then you are in the Mafia but the other people are just part of the mob.
Few people are aware that the mob is an integral part ofthe power structure in the US. The government is very good at getting rid of organizations that do not serve it’s purposes, so it keeps the mob around. The mob was, and to a degree still is, useful in combattiing the labor movement. Initially, it provided goons to beat up or kill organizers. After a union is in place it works with employers to attempt to corrupt the union structure. This has two advantages for employers. It keeps leftists in the union in line and it makes it possible to smear the union as being controlled by organized crime. Then it can be attacked by the legal system.
Remember Jackie Presser? He was a Teamsters Union President reputed to have links to the mob. He was also an informant for the FBI.
Are you talking to me?
Morte Alla Italia Anela (Death to the French is Italy’s cry)
It seems that this is all I can do for our fight.
The word “Mafia” was first documented in 1658 in a list of heretics converted by the Act of Faith, and was used to refer to a spirited character. It was also taken to mean perfection, excellence and self-confidence around that time; but regionally it had different meanings (in Tuscany, it meant poverty, and in Piedmont, individual).
More likely is an Arabic root, from the Saracens that dominated Siciliy from 827 to 1061. “Mahias” means daring or impudent; “ma afir” was a particular Saracen tribe in Palermo, and there’s also “maha” (stone grottoes near Marsala where fugitives hid), and “mu’afah” (an association administering private justice).
The three main organised crime empires in Italy, incidentally, are Cosa Nostra (“our affair”) in Sicily, the Camorra around Naples and the 'Ndrangheta in Calabria. The Mafia is generally taken to mean the dominant Sicilian empire, although you can hear phrases like “the Calabrian Mafia”.
galen you forgot to put in the sarcastic smilie face!!
What??
You’re serious? :eek:
The original meaning of mafia in Sicilian dialect is ‘bragging, swaggering, blustering, boasting’. The Arabic etymon from which mafia was derived is mahya, with the same meaning, according to Corrado Avolio, Introduzione allo studio del dialetto siciliano, p. 45.
In Arabic loanwords to Sicilian, there was a regular shift of -h- to -f-, and mahya > mafia is a good example of this. For example, the short story “Giufà” by the Sicilian author Leonardo Sciascia, which begins “Giufà had lived in Sicily since Arab times,” has as its title the name Juhâ written in Arabic script, whose shape Sciascia compared to “a little bird with a seed in its beak.” Juhâ is a traditional trickster character in North African folkore.
Mob is a general term, Mafia originally meant the Italian/Sicilian Mafia but has come to mean many organized crime gangs.
Which was exactly noted in the first reply to the OP, almost twenty-five years ago.
I note we have a resurrected zombie thread but Silvia’s post raises a question. Were the Sopranos specifically noted as Neapolitan in the series? Didn’t he refer to himself as a Roman or was that different movie? Something like,
Man: “And where are the Romans today?”
Tony: “You’re lookin’ at ‘em”.
As I understood it, it wasn’t conspiracy theory social control that put organized crime into unions - it was the large pool of money where certain unions ran a pension fund for memebers, instead of the individual companies running their own funds. A massive amount of money under the direction of relatively unsophisticated blue collar workers (especially the Teamsters). What could possibly go wrong?
There was also the opportunity, particularly in New York, that the control of the union management, who could tell unions what to do, allowed putting pressure on contractors and developers, for kickbacks, payroll padding, etc. (“Nice worksite you got here. It would be a shame if the cement delivery drivers went on strike…”) An article I saw on building the first phase of the Second Avenue subway one time described the excessive number of people doing assorted tasks, and an unwillingness to verify they were all actually showing up to work at all. Subway construction in Manhattan exceeds the cost anywhere else by a massive amount. Of course, unions are not alone. Rigged contract bids, and a planning department and building inspectors with inordinate power are also good places to expand the mob’s income.
The first company I worked for after graduating college had a pension plan. It was run by the founders. One provision allowed the assets to be invested 100% in the companies stock. Another let them keep the money until I reached ‘full retirement age’.
The company did not last. About two years after my layoff, my distribution from that fund into an IRA was in the upper three figures.
Tony’s peeps were from Avellino, near Naples. Mentioned multiple times.
In the 1910s and 1920s, especially in the New York garment industry, companies hired goons supplied by “the mob” to intimidate union activists and break picket lines, sometimes literally breaking them with violence. Some unions in turn hired goons to protect themselves from the company-hired goons. This was long before unions had pension funds.
As for the Teamster pension fund, its investments in the mob-controlled schemes, many of which were in the casino industry, often did better than “legit” funds. Not saying it’s a good thing, mind you. But those who have looked into have concluded it is hard to argue union members lost money on those investments.