So, what would the chances of being resurrected many millennia after your death be? And I mean proper resurrection, not 3D printer copying where it just makes a clone.
Do you think that’s very likely? Would there be some habitable space when the big crunch/rip/other thing is happening where just by incredible chance, a former human mind is re-built down to the exact same particles that made up the original copy?
What about after the universe ends ‘completely’? Do you think it could start up again? What if highly advanced ‘god-aliens’ from an empire that spanned entire multiverses came over and resurrected us? I mean, since you’re not conscious while dead, this would seem instantaneous to someone that had died one day and gôt revived a billion trillion years later.
I think it unlikely but I do believe its possible. Of course, then again, I believe a lot of things in the Credo are possible. Should God or an alien or a Flying Spaghetti Monster have the ability, I am sure there will be some plan/provision for dealing with the result.
Yes, it is possible in the same way that there is a non-zero probability that quantum tunneling would permit the car in my garage to tunnel through the closed door and appear on my driveway.
Well, doesn’t it work like: when you die, everything has already happened, the entire universe has already ended and restarted dozens, hundreds and millions of times, right? So it would make sense that eventually, either the atoms must come together and align themselves in a similar position as they were when you were alive just by chance, OR an eldritch god/alien that uses “technology” which is actually just literal magic might come by and restart the universe for fuel, perhaps? And maybe the aliens like to travel from universe to universe to collect old species and organisms from dead universes and put them in a viewing jar to come by and look at every once in a while, so they stitch the universe back into how it was before and resurrect everything/one and put them inside some sort of cage or something.
Like, wouldn’t this have a greater chance of actually happening than not happening ever, at all?
I truly believe it is highly likely that existence works like that. Why does anything exist at all? It doesn’t make any sense. We are probably caught up in an endless cycle of reincarnations that can never be escaped. It may even by Heaven or Hell depending on your perspective.
How do you mean? If your body is cryogenically frozen and the freezing method preserved enough details of your brain and you stay frozen for 100-300 years or so and technology continues to advance and the future civilization is more of a utopia : well, if all those things happened, you could be resurrected. Current scientific knowledge and thinking on the nature of the brain indicates it’s probably possible.
The knowledge I mean is :
a. Current knowledge is zeroing in on macroscopic structures at each synapse in the brain (the ‘connection strength’ being the store of nearly all memory and personality data. So if the synapses are intact, your mind can be recovered)
b. Current knowledge is that the brain uses a form of computation that can probably be mimicked via a Turing machine, and even if it can’t, it relies on properties of matter than can be copied.
c. Current knowledge says if you build an identical computer to one you destroyed with the same data, you will not be able to tell any difference between it and the original.
d. Current knowledge suggests that technology will continue to advance until some form of highly effective synthetic intelligence exists. At which point, the most likely outcome is that technology will advance even faster than it has the last couple centuries, as we will no longer be held back by the slow and imperfect minds of human scientists and engineers. The advance should continue until technology is very close to the physical constraints set by the universe itself.
e. Current knowledge suggests that if you knew how to do everything, you could probably build some kind of nanomachinery that could possibly even repair a frozen brain. Maybe.
But if there isn’t a frozen copy of your brain? No, you’re dead. The end.
I kind of meant “eldritch god aliens” when I said aliens, and not just “FTL drive forcefield plasma laser gun aliens”.
How do you know that the matter of your brain could not be recovered even without any intact remains of your original brain? All the aliens would have to do is just put everything back where it belonged. Since the aliens are gods, they could just use a time machine to scan the past, take a photo of what it looked like, and then just find the original pieces of your brain which would be scattered about the (destroyed?) universe somewhere, even if it requires looking at every single object in the entire universe, arrange them into a big pile and then just pick the pieces up and arrange them so that they are the same as they were in the photo. It’s just putting jigsaw pieces together except with a cheaty reference photo.
Current knowledge of physics knows of no possible mechanism to do this. So it’s fantasy vs the very real physical method of reconstruction from well preserved remains.
What, exactly, is the difference? Are you demanding that it occur by supernatural agency, and not by any physical/material means?
A supernatural method is the only way it could work, given how much information is not recorded anywhere. Your private thoughts are private, and could not be reconstituted, except by an “omniscient” re-creator. So you’re demanding a miracle in any case.
(Okay, yeah, we could all be sims, in which case the information is stored in the server. But would rebooting the app and re-initializing the data count, or would that fall afoul of your objection?)
Yes, effectively zero. The evidence is overwhelming that consciousness ends with the cessation of brain function. When my brain begins to rot after death, all aspects of my mind will be lost forever.
I therefore value the one life I have, extremely highly.
I think the chances are astronomical against. Of course I keep on hearing physicists talk about how information cannot be destroyed, so the stuff that makes you, you, is still floating around in a increasingly defused state.
According to wikipedia in 10^10^10^56 years, it could be possible for quantum tunneling to create a new big bang that creates a universe identical to our own.
As far as conscious entities being revived by future technology, I don’t know. Much of what we know about science is only 100 years old, and we don’t even know what consciousness is right now.
It’d be nice, but I’m not sure if or when it could happen if it did happen. I know in some transhumanist circles there is an article about the idea of some far future technology somehow identifying and recreating the consciousness of every sentient, self aware creature that ever existed on earth. But right now that is like Australopithecines in 3 million BC discussing how smart phones, quantum computers and large hadron colliders would possibly work. If it is possible, who knows how long until we figure out how to do it.
If there is such a thing as eternity and some event is possible, then that event will eventually occur; or so I have heard. So, if it is possible for you to be resurrected, eventually you will be.
Well since everything including your implanted memories are recreated each Thursday, your reincarnation happens every 7 days.
Alternately, you can just start speaking your mind out loud. When the echos return, a new person will hear them as voices in his/her head and become you.
You mean in a Poincaré Recurrence sort of way, or what? I am not sure if the spontaneously occurring Boltzmann Brain clone of you that is floating in space is really you, but maybe time and space work in ways we don’t understand and it is. From your own perspective, the resurrection would be instantaneously after you lose consciousness whilst dying.