“Pro abortion,” “pro life,” “Late term abortion.” All rightwing talking points. Just to name a few.
And they should be?:
Almost nobody else is “pro-abortion” (some of us think the world is overpopulated and more abortions are needed) – the correct term is “pro-choice”.
The RW are “anti-choice” or “anti-abortion”, but definitely not pro-life (many of them support capital punishment, and most of them do not really give a leaping shit about other people’s born babies as long as they get born).
And a “late-term abortion” is a “life-saving medical procedure” in almost every case.
The terms used in all main stream media are “Pro choice” and “Pro Life”. I’ve never heard the terms “anti choice” or “anti abortion” in modern use. I would define main stream media as the 3 major networks ABC, CBS, and NBC as well as PBS. These are certainly not right wing organizations.
I’ve never seen or heard the term “life-saving medical procedure” used to describe 3rd trimester abortions so “late term abortion” would better describe a chronological event.
Well, that and who decides to show up to vote given their rights to their own bodies are being systematically stripped from them.
The only person i know who had a late term abortion did it because it was a life-saving medical procedure. She had pre-eclampsia, the fetus wasn’t yet viable, and if she hadn’t had the abortion they would have both died. She desperately wanted to have a baby, fwiw.
The point is not that it’s impossible to have a late term abortion that isn’t a life-saving procedure. It’s that as a matter of fact, essentially all late term abortions are performed because they are life-saving procedures.
The vast majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester. Essentially all of the “i don’t want to have a baby” abortions are performed in the first trimester. Late term abortions of any stripe are extremely rare, and are almost always triggered by medical need.
Talking about late term abortions as if they are a common thing, a thing people might choose for trivial reasons, is very much a right wing talking point.
Of course they are right wing organizations, giant corporations typically are. So they give the Right advantages like using their terminology and slanting news coverage in their direction.
“Pro life” is an outright lie on their part, considering their complete disdain for both the lives of women and the baby they are trying to force on women. And of people in general, for that matter.
Yes but using the term “third trimester” in a sentence is a description of a time frame. “Life saving medical procedure” is not. It can apply to any time frame and should not be used in place of “third trimester” but rather as an addition to it if it applies.
And “late term abortion” like you keep using is a purely right wing propaganda term, not a medical one.
“Third trimester” is at least a real term and a neutral one, not anti-woman rhetoric.
This is a good point. “Late term abortion” is very vague, and is fundamentally a value judgement, with the implication of “too late”. If you want to talk about when an abortion occurs, use real time words, like “third trimester” or “after 5 months of gestation”.
And then the women are condemned for “abandoning” their children and forcing others to raise their offspring.
Not to mention that giving up a kid is not easy and often has life-long impact on the person who gave up the child. No one should be pressured to surrender a child to be raised by others (absent some sort of criminal thing).
Kids that aren’t perfect White infants are far less likely to be adopted than most people assume, which means they’re raised in the foster system with little to no stability and then dumped out of the system at 18 to fend for themselves, although a few places are starting to extend fostering to 21. Even so, the notion that every kid given up at birth is going to be adopted into a loving home is just not true.
Yes, the Catholics have a certain refreshing consistency on the “life is sacred” stance. I don’t agree with everything the Catholic church stands for or does, but these days there is at least a certain consistency and attempt to walk the talk. Bravo.
Catholics are about 18% of the US population. They aren’t the majority.
And, of course, Catholics are individuals and many do not agree with or act in accordance with the church’s current policy.
The most virulent anti-abortion crowd are Protestants, and far too many of them want to insist the pregant slut whore woman have the baby and then do NOTHING for the “precious life” afterward. Indeed, some of them even propose rules and regulations that negatively impact the entire family of that child. They’re quick to condemn and refuse to help. Based on their actions they only care about the child before it is born, after the birth the child is viewed as a parasite on the tax payers.
Already specified, in my post #448, which you appear to have ignored.
You have seriously never seen or heard the term “anti-abortion” in modern use?!
Here you go, from one of your specified sites:
[ETA: don’t forget to scroll down. It appears to be their standard term. – I didn’t bother to search all the other sites you listed.]
And if you agree that the term used is normally “pro choice” why are you using “pro abortion”?
And when they aren’t, it’s often because the person was unable to obtain a first trimester abortion, due to their state banning it, requiring delaying procedures, and/or closing down clinics.
And at least it gives some idea of what time frame is being discussed; though there’s still a huge difference between 6 months and 8 months 3 weeks.
All of that is true.
In addition: people who can’t afford to raise children very likely can’t afford the financial costs of carrying to term, either. Such costs are unknown and unpredictable, but can easily be considerable, both in medical bills and in lost ability to do other work.
Abortions cost something; but first trimester cost hugely less, and even second trimester almost certainly somewhat less, than carrying to term of even a normal pregnancy. And nobody knows that any given pregnancy will be “normal”. Or that any resulting child will be “perfect”.
I don’t see what’s so difficult about someone driving a few hundred miles, possibly out of state, getting a sonogram, having to have a 24-48 hour waiting period, listening to false anti-abortion propaganda, and then maybe qualifying for one. Easy as pie! I imagine it’s a piece of cake for someone without means and an hourly job to just pop over and get one.
A recent article in The Atlantic was titled “Pro-Life Voters Are Politically Homeless”. It talked out how post-Dobbs the Pro-Life (anti-abortion, whatever) movement has suddenly found itself a political orphan. The national GOP has largely abandoned the movement now that abortion is a state issue, and Trump never gave a frick about any ideals whatsoever. Combined with the Democrats going full Choice on the issue whereas before there was some tolerance of divergent views, the hardcore Pro-Lifers are finding themselves out in the cold.
There are many other explanations that fit the facts. Just because you refuse to accept them doesn’t mean they do not exist.
I don’t think the idea is to collect up all the ideas out there, but to give more credence to the ideas that have
better (more accurate, not ones you agree with) facts attached to them.
No, there aren’t. This is, again exactly what we saw during the debate over same sex marriage. The constant insistence that there must be an explanation for right wing behavior that makes them out to be well meaning and reasonable people, while completely failing to come up with one.
Because such explanations do not actually exist.
Enumerate.
If they don’t exist, why is it that the people who are against abortion that I know personally do not appear to have any malice or evil intent? They certainly do not consider all the facts, or maybe very many facts at all, but that does not equate to malice. They are moved by pure emotion generated by the image of beautiful living babies being wantonly murdered. The women are not their main concern, the unborn babies are. Anything one can do to save more of those darling little babies is worth doing.
Please don’t ask me any questions that begin “don’t they realize?” Because they don’t.
The parallel with same sex marriage is only that it, too, at heart, is a gut level emotional reaction, no real reasoning is involved. I’d say that’s consistently true of a lot of right wing hills they choose to die on.