Is it to test how well you can remember shapes? A person that does well on Visual Spatial IQ test or pattern-recognition questions IQ test will do well at drawings, illustrations, sketch drawings, paintings, art work and architecture drawings?
A person with low Visual Spatial IQ test will do really bad with drawings, illustrations, sketch drawings, paintings, art work and architecture drawings?
What do you mean “do well at/with”?
A person who does well on such a test is good at tasks similar to those that make up the test questions.
You might consider that, aside from “the arts”, people who score high in visual IQ are probably also going to do well at things like flying/lading airplanes, driving forklifts, and other tasks where spatial skills are important to both precision and safety. On the flip side, someone who scores low in it might not be suited for such tasks and may never learn to properly parallel park. Among other things.
It was taught in my Psych courses in the '90s and '00s that the section of an actual validated IQ test where you have to manipulate or rotate shapes in your mind is the one that correlates most highly with the total score. So it seems like whatever parts of the brain are at work in completing this task, they’re also working when you’re doing the parts that are seeming unrelated.
In other words, if you can do well at this task, you’re pretty smart, as measured by IQ tests.
Well mathematics could be described as the study of patterns…patterns are important. And much of the way humans conceptualize and categorize the world is visual, so having skill in seeing visual patterns might imply general skills in abstract reasoning.
I’m not saying IQ tests accurately measure this though, or that there is a meaningful single measure. Or that it’s necessarily one of the most important cognitive abilities.
Just speculating why it may be considered more relevant than arbitrarily measuring your skill to flip pictures around.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Being good at Visual Spatial IQ test the test well test you how well you are god at manipulating or to rotate shapes in your mind. How does this make person good at drawings, illustrations, sketch drawings, paintings, art work and architecture drawings?
I would think to be good at drawings, illustrations, sketch drawings, paintings, art work and architecture drawings. You will need to be god at seeing detail and remembering detail.
The more detail you can see or spot in things and remember it, well you will be better at drawings, illustrations, sketch drawings, paintings, art work and architecture drawings.
Well, that’s not the case. When doing visual art, it is of prime importance to consider the whole, rather than to fixate only on details. It’s rare to hear of a work being praised for its detail work if the whole isn’t composed well.
Visual composition is at its heart arranging shapes in a space.
You need visual-spatial skills to be able to put all those details into correct relationships with one another.
But what the hell would I know about it? I just have a degree in Fine Arts. And a pilot’s license. And I score really high in tests of visual-spatial skills. Like just about every other pilot and/or artist I’ve ever run into.
Okay so to draw someone face like a sketch artist how would he or she go about doing it?
What would he or she need on IQ test to go about doing it? And not going into too much detail on how to draw some one face what would he or she need to know or learn and be good at? Being a sketch artist.
Well, I can’t really speak to drawing it as “a sketch artist” because that term doesn’t really have meaning to me.
But, as an art student learning drawing, we were taught to draw anything by identifying the values and the shapes they described of the object we were looking at and arrange them relative to each other. In drawing a face, you’d identify what shape their head described (almost always some form of an oval or ovoid), and you would describe that shape on the page. Then you’d start placing their eyes, mouth nose, and other features relative to the others on that form. Those are always shapes of some sort, and their specific shape and relative position is what makes an identifiable face. Kaethe Kollwitz could give you a whole scene with the right set of spare marks. I can’t find the work that she made that describes two recognizable faces with less than five marks, but that image shows the genius of her economy.
How this relates to IQ tests, I can only speculate. I’ve never been part of creating one. I would imagine that there are people out there who have artistic talents that are not realized, and the IQ test is attempting to measure that. Those talents also inform their other capabilities, and the tests using shapes probably test one’s ability to deal with the abstract (though, it is reflected in concrete shapes).
Patterns. Patterns are much more important than detail, as demonstrated by… heck, the immense majority of paintings and drawings through history. I love the work of Velázquez and Dalí, but you can’t tell me that what makes the drawings of Altamira, Romanic art or the paintings of the impressionists “work” is the nit-level details.
Aside from correlating best with total results, an advantage of pattern-based tests is that they don’t need to be translated (with all the dangers thereof), don’t depend on educational level… What they measure is the ability for abstract thought, which does depend on environmental factors (hence the Flynn effect) but not on specific language or education.
What you’re describing is a rendering, not a drawing. You need to read a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.
What I mean by detail is when you or I look at a person face, we pick up lots of detail like jaw shape, cheek bone, nose, hair color, hair shape, eye color,eyebrows, lips, shape of skull, eyes, face acne, scar, freckles, wrinkles, color of skin, and face so on. This helps us to remember people even **people that look similar **or people we have only seen two or three times. Also if we get robbed we can go to the police station and work with a train sketch artist on face of the suspect. If you got good look of the robber.
People with low IQ lower than 80, autism, downs syndrome, ADHD, dyslexia, head injury WILL NOT notice the detail. **Even if you point out the detail to them and train them to look for detail they still with miss lot of the detail.
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I’m not sure if the pattern-recognition questions IQ or Visual Spatial IQ test covers this or some other IQ test.
May be these people that can’t pick up detail like jaw shape, cheek bone, nose, hair color, hair shape, eye color,eyebrows, lips, shape of skull, eyes, face acne, scar, freckles, wrinkles, color of skin, and face so on CANNOT work with 3D shapes or Spatial 3D and can only work with 2D.
Now how this fits into drawings, illustrations, sketch drawings, paintings, art work and architecture drawings I don’t know, unless you have other copy and copying from it and not your memory.
When you draw say your best friend face are you doing it from your memory or a picture?
Now how to draw all this and how this all fits together is other thing , yes even when you know all the detail.
To be a street cop you have to be really good at detail and remembering suspects description.
I’m not an artist, so I can’t speak to the detail issue… But I am wondering what it has to do with IQ tests. Visual spatial sections of IQ tests don’t measure, or even include, a lot of details. The images are rather simple geometric shapes.
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Nobody will draw a portrait from memory. It’s either a picture or live model.
WTF does that have to do… ok, first of all: witness descriptions are notoriously unreliable. People confuse colors, shapes, say “jeans” and it was a tracksuit, whatever. Second, the amount of a patroller’s job which involves interviewing witnesses for descriptions is always done with a recorder or a notebook. Third, and it’s a tiny, tiny, tiny part of their job.
Er… where are you getting this information?
Because I’ve known successful artist who draw faces and the like just fine who also have dyslexia and ADHD. Not so sure about the “head injury”, seems that would depend on the head injury. Downs, autism, low IQ? Do you have a cite for any of that being linked to low visual-spatial skills or inability to notice detail?
The point to all IQ tests is to differentiate people along a Bell curve. It isn’t a value judgement and the math behind it is very elaborate. All it is doing is figuring out whether someone is, say, in the 20th percentile or 99th percentile for that particular measure. You have to backwards to see if that is meaningful for various practical measures. You could do the same thing for hand-eye coordination or rote memorization. There is no “point” to any of those types of tests except to give a relative measurement against the comparison population.
sweat209: I’ve looked at your follow up posts and I still have no idea what you mean by “good at”.
Please explain. I can give a really good answer if it means one thing but not if means something else.
My father-in-law was a carpenter. He could look at the framing for a wall and tell if the studs weren’t spaced evenly.
People who work at putting things together need to have good spatial recognition.
