adaher, your unwillingness to accept the current reality is just sad. I know you’re invested in the failure of the ACA – you’ve admitted it. But America is moving on. Public opinion is swinging, slowly, towards acceptance of the ACA. Only a very small minority actually favor going back to the pre-ACA health care system.
I think it’s time for you to move on. The ACA is not going away.
So even though the question basically BEGS the respondent to oppose repeal, you accept it, even though any other version of the question produces results disastrous for ACA.
Like I said, wishful thinking.
Only 12% favor ACA as-is. That’s utterly pathetic. Those polls don’t make the law look like it’s getting more popular, it makes it look like things are getting WORSE.
So, since 88% demand changes or repeal, enlighten us as to what those changes are, and whether there is any chance in hell the Democrats or the President will support those desired changes. If not, then the question is meaningless.
Or as Jesse Jackson said on SNL, “the question is moot! The Democrats don’t support any major changes, so asking if you’d support the bill if major changes were made is meaningless.”
Let’s see these other polls here. Oh! A majority still oppose the law! But wait! In Fantasy Land, that means a majority actually supports it!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
Since you claim a December poll is out of date, let’s look at the basic approve/disapprove numbers for various pollsters since December:
Gallup; December 41-51, April, 43-54.
ABC: December 45-51, April 44-49
NBC: December 34-50, April 36-46
USA Today: December 41-54, April 41-55
There has been no change in opinions since December.
Nonsense. Even the President, from the beginning, has said that the bill was not perfect and would likely need alterations in the future.
It makes it look like a large majority of the American public either shares Obama’s opinion on the ACA or likes it even more.
adaher, your tenacity would make a pit bull envious. But despite five years of continuous demonization from Republicans, the law is slowly winning people over. Even Fox has given up on it, which is why they’ve rebranded as the Benghazi Network. Repeal isn’t going to happen, and Republicans offer no alternative. I’m afraid this dog is done hunting.
Wow, some recent polls, and an excellent goal post shift! I suppose you are abandoning the factually false claim that a majority favor repeal. I applaud you for accepting reality, even as you try and change the subject!
Yes, the ACA’s favorability is not great. But like I’ve said, the numbers are improving – its favorability has improved by a significant amount since the beginning of 2014.
But ‘favor/disfavor’ is not the same as ‘repeal/do not repeal’, and as has been shown, a majority do not favor repeal.
All I was doing was demonstrating that opinions have not changed, therefore it is reasonable to conclude that the repeal/oppose repeal has also not changed.
Bob, gotta give you credit too. Despite the fact that the polls show no evidence that the public is being won over, you still think like the classic Dana Carvey George Bush: “ACA- Still gaining acceptance.”
Way to cherry-pick and mostly ignore your own cite. Look at the graph – since Dec 13/Jan 14, the ‘favor’ black line has been going intermittently upwards. You are wrong again.
Wrong again, adaher.
Except that they have changed, and the repeal question has been asked, and it has been shown that a majority oppose repeal.
Wrong again, adaher.
Even at the height of the debate, polls asking about each of the key individual features of Obamacare showed each to have majority support. Only when asked about the package did responses become Pavlovian.
This notion of adaher’s that “I want to improve it” actually means “I want to get rid of it” was a good joke for a while, but now is beyond pathetic. Dude, you’d be better off screaming “Benghazi!” like Fox is telling you to these days, okay?
Only if you cherry pick “key” features. Apparently the individual mandate is unimportant.
It is currently on a slight uptrend, which puts it exactly where it was a few months ago. A real uptrend would involve the approve/disapprove numbers actually being close, which they still aren’t. And I didn’t cherry pick. I picked the 4 RCP average polls that weren’t Rasmussen or Fox.
Now if the uptrend is mainly due to Rasmussen and Fox, then you’ll have to explain why you don’t discount them like you usually do.
A fine goalpost shift.
Gobbledygook. But at least you’re shifting away from your factually wrong “majority favor repeal” argument.
It’s over, dude. You lost. You lost on the merits as well as on your conduct. You’re paying the price for that, and will continue to pay the price for years to come.
It’s over and you lost. Someday, perhaps soon, it will become clear to you. It’s over.
Yeah, the GOP is just feeling that pain from the popularity of ACA. Why, Democrats can’t embrace the law fast enough.
Yep. The political fight over the ACA is over – it’s not going away before 2017 at the very earliest, and even that is very unlikely. Even the talking-points fight and get-out-the-vote fight is mostly over, as evidenced by the “BENGHAZI!!!” shift.
They’re starting too, and in 2016, it’s a good bet that the Democratic candidate will take Bill Clinton’s advice and jump in with both feet for the ACA.
Another goalpost shift, by the way. Why not just admit you were wrong and move on?
There really was a 2012, I keep telling you. 
Really, no shit - you could look it up.
You have no hope of getting rid of it until you can think of something attractive and responsible to replace it with. But that, as should be apparent to you after all these years, is never going to happen, is it? You’ve been consistently lied to about that by the party to which you still, unaccountably, give your complete loyalty, and you don’t even realize it yet.
Absolutely. It proves you are wrong on support for repeal.