What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited)

More popular than ever! Seriously, Baghdad Bob, find a new line of work. The Democrats are campaigning just as hard against ACA as the Republicans. The difference is that the Democrats are lying.

The data has been shown to you quite amply. You can face it or you can be just as bewildered the morning after the upcoming Election Day as you were after the last one.

Got a good example or three of “The Democrats” doing that?

About what? That there are, in fact, no death panels?

Today has probably been the most eventful day in ACA-legal news since SCOTUS upheld the law in June 2012.

The DC Circuit released its opinion in Halbig v. Burwell today, which becomes the first ruling to invalidate the subsidies in 36 states.

Meanwhile, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, ruling on the EXACT SAME ISSUE, determined today that the subsidies are entirely legal.

I swear, if the ACA actually winds up in front of the SCOTUS for a third damn time, I think that I shall eat a hat.

As pointed elsewhere this means that this will get appealed, first in the same DC area and it is not likely that all the judges will support the current ruling (the Voting then will include all the judges not just the 3 from the previous ruling and the advantage is with the democratically appointed judges there)

Meaning that if this is somehow appealed to the supreme court, the plaintiffs will be appealing a then current 3 or more rulings against them and none in their favour as the DC one by then is almost certain to be overturned by the same DC court.

Almost all Democrats in competitive races are mad as hell about ACA and are determined to make changes!

Except they aren’t.

Right, they aren’t.

Now what does that have to do with your claim that “The Democrats are campaigning just as hard against ACA as the Republicans.” ? Are you simply stenographing Hannity, no matter how incoherent or inconsistent?

Seems to me like they are being intentionally confusing on the issue. “I held the President to account over the botched rollout. And I’m demanding changes to Obamacare so that people can keep their insurance.”

That was Mary Landrieu.

You want to see confusing on the issue, look at all the BS Mitch McConnell is spewing in Kentucky where they love their insurance exchange. He still supports repeal, but somehow doesn’t support Kentuckians losing insurance? Talk about trying to have it both ways.

Perhaps. That’s why Republicans need a plan and will lack credibility until they get behind one.

Either that, or McConnell simply favors repeal and grandfathering of existing beneficiaries. A media that’s on the job will make him explain himself.

Meanwhile, Grimes should be forced to answer whether she would have voted for the bill or not. It’s not a trick question. And if she continues to refuse, the media should make fun of her until she does.

Can I quote you on this in the future? That the Republicans will have no credibility on this issue until they have a plan and get behind it? Because in practical terms that means that they will never have credibility on this issue.

Adaher your schtick really needs to stop. You know damn well that the GOP supports no expansion of access to medical care - beyond Medicare, which screams irony given that it truly IS socialism writ large - in any way, shape, or form. If they really did, they would have addressed the issue when they fully controlled the government under Bush.

Arguing otherwise is disingenuous.

The GOP helped pass SCHIP, did they not? Didn’t they control Congress when they passed it? They also passed Medicare Part D.

SCHIPwas an initiative of Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. The main Republican contribution was to keep the cigarette tax from being raised to pay for it.

Their main contribution to Part D was to prevent Medicare from having access to the usually-holy Free Market for pharmaceuticals, and to establish the Donut Hole that ACA closes up.

They did, however, vote to expand health care access significantly. The Republicans actually contributed a great deal to SCHIP’s financing. Since it was passed as part of a balanced budget act, it was paid for with reduced spending, which led to surpluses.

Bullshit.

If the Rethugs were as gung-ho about expanding access to medical care as you claim, they wouldn’t oppose the ACA at all, since it is an idea THAT THEY FUCKING CAME UP WITH in the first place.

The rampant irony behind this fact continues to madden me, yes.

ACA is way too comprehensive and unwieldy and expensive. It’s like saying the Democrats support the same military the Republicans do. You know, minus about $100 billion/yr. But really, no difference.

Compared to what? The Republican bill? :smiley:

Ancient history, given the rightward movement of the GOP just since GWB’s day. Do you really think they’d help pass either of them now?

Is this the part where we get told about The Party of Lincoln? I always enjoy that one.

The GOP will pass anything they write. Medicare Part D was a sham, it was unpaid for and was a giveaway to drug companies. SCHIP was well structured and paid for with cuts in other spending.

The first problem with ACA that made it not a GOP plan in any way, shape or form, was the presence of new taxes.