(a) haven’t you got to have cover to be on a waiting list? (b) you’re missing the point somewhat of single-player systems and (c) you don’t seem to have more than a parochial understanding of US healthcare.
Middle class entitlement much?
Which is what people without insurance in the US do. Now granted, not having to pay at the point of service is nice, but the goal of health care delivery systems is not just to be “free”.
You’re ignoring your bullshit claim that wasn’t supported by your cite. Your cite didn’t say, in any way, that millions of Canadians couldn’t get a doctor.
You make mistakes like this so often that you should be ashamed, and it would be so easy to avoid. I wish you would put more effort into making sure you were saying accurate things.
They do not have a family doctor. In the US, we call that no primary care. I guess it’s different in Canada because single payer. Single payer solves all problems, even when it doesn’t.
Then why didn’t you say that before? Why did you make a totally bullshit claim, when it is so easy to be accurate?
Then why didn’t you make this claim? Why did you make such an easy-to-avoid false claim? “Can’t get an appointment today or tomorrow” is incredibly different from “can’t see a doctor at all”. Do you get that?
I think you’re a great sparring partner sometimes. But sometimes you’re just terribly lazy. It’s so easy to avoid mistakes like this, and for some reason you just refuse to put in the little bit of effort to do so, sometimes. I get upset because I know you’re capable of avoiding this, but you just don’t even try sometimes.
You’re using a double standard. In the US, you may see a doctor when you go to an ER or clinic, but critics of US health care would never call that “access to a doctor”. You go to the ER for health care precisely because you don’t have access to a doctor.
I’d also note that lack of access to a doctor is based on income. If you have $100 for an appointment, you’ll see a doctor, and very soon in most areas. In Canada, as with any socialized good or service, supply is a problem.
Americans will never tolerate this, which is why even a single payer system in the US would be pricey.
Seeing a doctor is not access to a doctor.
Srsly?
Okay, so that means that in the US, 100% of Americans have access to a doctor.
By your cite, you’re saying that the biggest problem in Canadian health care is that some people have to wait more than a day or two for an appointment. There’s no problem paying, just sometimes a wait of at least two days.
Imagine if that was the biggest problem with US health care - no problems paying for anyone, but ten percent or so have to wait two days for their appointments.
We’d be ecstatic. Obama would be on Mount Rushmore.
And thus your “can’t see a doctor at all” claim is total bullshit. No problem paying and a two day wait is very, very different.
Now who is spreading nonsense? “At least two days”? That’s some artful language there, a great example of something being technically true while giving an incredibly false impression.
Canadian wait times are quite significant. Since this thread isn’t about Canada, I’m only using them as an illustration that Americans will want better access than what other single payer countries give. We will insist on seeing a doctor as quickly as we do now, of getting hip and knee replacements as quickly as we do now, and getting PET scans or MRIs as quickly as we do now when a doctor requests them. That’s going to cost a lot of money.
How quickly do the uninsured have access to those things?
There are, at least, far fewer of them now.
Uninsured have immediate access to doctors through the ER and clinics. Just like in Canada.
There *are *no uninsured Canadians.
And what US ER’s do knee and hip replacements, since you brought them up?
At least two days is what your own cite said. And it’s still very different from “can’t see a doctor at all”. Why can’t you just admit that you were incorrect when you said that? Why do you have to double down on such an obvious falsity?
Ah, that old argument:
- Single payer fixes everything
- If something is not fixed, refer to #1
None, but Americans dont’ wait six months.
No, it’s simply a fact. You said that there were uninsured Canadians, and you were factually incorrect. He didn’t say single payer fixes everything.
Can’t you just own this occasionally? You get things wrong and are called out on it. Why not just admit it? It’s false that millions of Canadians “can’t see a doctor”. You said this, and you were wrong. It’s false that there are uninsured Canadians. You said this and you were wrong.