No, only that it is a stupid point to claim that the administration lied when at the time it was likely that most of the problems were caused for excessive traffic. As it is the point that claims that it is a big secret. In my experience and what I know in cases like this releasing preliminary information can lead to even more wrong conclusions. We will see soon more once the hearings come.
This is like the Benghazi thing, even if they honestly believed the problems were due to volume, they never questioned whether the most convenient explanation was the right one, so went with whatever was most convenient and further made it a talking point they stuck to until the media stopped buying it.
The date when they abandoned the “volume” talking point was the day Sebelius got raked over the coals by Jon Stewart.
And blaming the Republicans is just nonsense. Republican governors have done exactly what the law allows them to do. States are under no obligation to help the federal government implement any law of any sort. If a law requires buy-in from the states in order to work, the law was poorly designed.
It is still more possible and accurate than assuming that they lied, and that BTW goes also for the Benghazi issue: it is really a dumb one.
So much for being the party of personal responsibility. This is also silly because in the states that supported the law and set exchanges are doing much better.
I’m assuming they lied because they chose the narrative that was most convenient for them politically, and only changed the talking points when their normally supportive media outlets stopped carrying water for them.
I compared it to Benghazi because in that case too they leaped to put out the narrative that suited them, before finding out what the facts were, then urged the rest of us to go easy on them until the facts came out.
The state exchanges are running better because almost uniformly, the states have better governance. Although some are better than others. If Democrats cared about substance from their Presidential candidates, they’d be looking at Beshear, Gregoire, and Hickenlooper as 2016 nominees for having the smoothest exchange rollouts. Although New York’s doing well too, so Andrew Cuomo’s stock should rise if there’s any thirst for competence left in the party.
When I see things like this, words just fail me.
I’m neither clever, nor eloquent enough to mount the sort of rebuttal it deserves - other than to make a few points…
- I really really don’t want to be in a burning car when you are around - you’d just complain about the delay instead of helping
- And that you have people actively trying to undermine the law of the land, and you are supporting that, just boggles the mind. And we’re not talking a 6 year old holding her breath, but supposedly grown adults.
- Your post is an oxymoron - if the Republicans aren’t helping to get people successfully enrolled, and are actually deliberately obstructing the implementation (as you say is their “right”) then I sure as hell am going to blame them - and then some.
Sometimes getting to the point is better than eloquence. And you did that well.
Well, that’s not a great analogy, since the rollout of the law isn’t THAT bad. It’s more like, “Hey dude, let’s build an airplane!” and I’m like, “What makes you think you can build an airplane?” and so you do it without my help, it never even takes off, and I laugh. Then you blame the failure of the plane on me.
Again, not only does the Constitution not require states to help the federal government implement its laws, but the health care law itself was written so that states weren’t required to do, well, much of anything if they didn’t want to.
The Republicans are obstructing nothing. The law is being followed to the letter.
Latest update: They knew the site couldn’t even handle a few hundred users at one time, but went forward anyway:
The president’s healthcare sign-up web page was supposed to handle tens of thousands of people at once. But in a trial run days before its launch, just a few hundred users flatlined the site.
So when the Obama admin claimed (and I quote) ""These bugs were functions of volume … Take away the volume and it works.‘’ - that was a deliberate lie, wasn’t it?
It shows you how interested Terr is in having an actual discussion when he posts the same link as the previous post with a 3 hour gap.
So, who tested it, and who knew it didn’t work?
According to WaPo “government officials and contractors” tested it. As for who knew - probably U.S. Chief Technology Officer Todd Park knew, since it’s his job to know. Yet he is the one that claimed "These bugs were functions of volume … Take away the volume and it works.‘’
Who exactly counts as “government officials”? Do you know that Obama knew, and not just the contractors, who lied, saying they were giving a valid product when they weren’t?
Wow, the “President didn’t know nuthin’” defense again. Strange how his most important job functions are the things he’s least informed on. Or maybe it’s kept that way on purpose. After all, if only lower level people know, then only lower level people can be blamed. That wouldn’t fly in the private sector, but the government can actually get away with the people at the top not governing.
Thing is, even if the President didn’t know anything, he’s lying, because he instructed his people to blame it on volume. If he didn’t know that was the problem, he made it up.
Well that depends on what “is” is.
I think “Who knew” is a fairly useful question to ask if you’re accusing people of lying. You’ve already proven in this thread however you don’t actually care, you’re just looking for reasons for partisan sniping, however. Maybe you should go get a blog.
The question stands - you cannot claim “Government officials knew” and assume that means everyone knew. Unless I can point to an article that says “conservatives did…” and hold you responsible for those actions. Can I?
adaher, are you, of all people, claiming ignorance is not a defense from lying? Are you really wanting to go down that road?
There are people in the administration whose job it is to know. Like the guy I quoted. If he knew, then he lied. If he didn’t, he is incompetent.
They said they knew.
You’re claiming ignorance on his behalf. The President has not done so. Rather, he’s simply changed tack, while still minimizing the extent of the failure.
Are you saying that maybe he STILL doesn’t know? If so, Bill Maher might want to revive that shtick he did during the Bush years, where he reads the paper to the President.
As for me, my words aren’t filtered through advisors and rehearsed beforehand. When the President lies, it’s because he meticulously planned the lie. Off the cuff remarks excepted, of course.
It was like that time that he said over and over, “If you like your insurance, you can keep it.” Afterwards, his own administration had to issue a clarification that his words “should not be taken literally”. And that was a prepared speech.
I see now what was what makes me roll my eyes on this straw grasping, it is that Republicans do not have a clue that this “club” Obama gave to his enemies was bound to be used so clumsily by them. Anyone that claims that the president should had been overseeing directly a website does not have a clue of what is his most important job is.
Ignoring once again that states that supported the law are doing better, that the issue was acknowledged and looked at, just tells anyone else that this line of attract is even more ridiculous as the Benghazi one.
Read it again, they said it was one of the first tests. When a report does not tell you what they got on the other tests I have to take that with a grain of salt.
This also shows that the sources you use did lie to you as they claimed very recently that no test whatsoever was done.
When I said, “they knew” I was referring to their certainty that volume was the problem with the site.
Although I notice that CNN’s headline is now, “Obama didn’t know about site woes.” Until days AFTER the launch. Does he not read the paper? Bill Maher, it’s time to renew that segment!
As Ken Cuccinelli can tell you, this line of attack is not very impressive when he has tried it already, even so he is doing worse in the polls now.