They didn’t hold otherwise, either. So?
There is no mandate now. Not an enforceable one anyway. Millions are subject to the mandate this year. Guess how many the government will collect from.
I’ve been waiting for ACA (or something like it) for, well, ever. I like it a lot. People complained,
and some do, still, about the S.S. Act, which was a huge milestone of progress. In time. Obama-
care will gain the same acceptance. I would say “it’s about time” but for the fact that it is actua-
lly about 50 years late.
So what are you complaining about? If the GOP plan has all the benefits of Obamacare without the mandate, what is the point of repeal and replace?
Not an answer to the question.
Please come back with the effects of no mandate on the insurance market and premiums.
Cites, please. Not talking points or opinions. This experiment has been done. The facts are out there.
I’m new here and confused to the max about how this all works.
I’m liberal to the max but I’m also critical of “Obamacare.”
Bottom line for me is that ALL people in the US should have health insurance. NO DEBATE ABOUT THIS. All the other modern nations do this. It’s a disgrace that the US is the exception.
If you don’t like “Obamacare” then offer a change that makes it better — but always move in the direction of covering more and more people.
We’re going to find out, because there is no mandate.
Then why do you want to repeal?
Seriously, adaher - first you say that the main difference between the GOP plan and ACA is that the GOP plan has no mandate, and now you say that ACA has no mandate. Could you maybe go away, decide what the hell your argument is, test it against reality and get back to us?
I’m sorry the nuance is so hard for you. There is a difference between no effective mandate and no mandate at all. It’s kinda like immigration laws. They exist, but aren’t enforced very well, and under Obama, unless you are a felon, not at all starting a few months back.
Conservatives don’t like BS laws. If the government doesn’t have the balls to enforce a mandate, they shouldn’t have one. This should not be a controversial topic. An uncollectable mandate simply should not exist. Laws that aren’t enforced breed disrespect for the law.
It’s enough for you to demand repeal of the entire thing, though. Some nuance that is.
Or is what you want to repeal simply the prefix “Obama-”? :dubious:
Now THAT is a truly laughable statement.
This is incoherent, especially when paired with your previous statements like “there is no mandate”.
To be kind, this is a recurring problem with you. Please try and correct yourself.
P.S. Let me introduce you to one of my favorite threads: “Stupid Republican Idea of the Day.” Someone does manage to find a new one nearly every day.
But you’d just say they’re not real conservatives, right?
Not according to you. “Nuance” does not mean “rubbish”.
And yet funnily enough, under Obama illegal immigrants have been being deported at a significantly higher rate than under the previous administration and those that are being sent back are the worst offenders, the ones least likely to contribute to society and the economy. It’s the sort of policy you’d crow about if it wasn’t associated with Obama, as your healthcare policy demonstrates.
Apparently thisis the “Republican alternative” which they will ride to victory this fall, as our friend **adaher **tells us. The CBO saysit costs more, does less, and leaves a million more people uninsured, but that’s a small price to pay for finally beating Obama at something.
Oh, about Obamacare’s popularity? Take a gander.
Whatever do you mean? It says right there in the article that only 8% want it kept as it is! Never mind those other numbers or what they mean - 8%! Only look at that number! Not the others! Clearly that means that 92% must hate Obamacare, right?
THat’s not the GOP alternative. That’s just a bill changing the employer mandate to cover only full time workers.
Sure it means fewer insured and an increased deficit. Guess what else does? The President changing the law by executive fiat, like he’s done the past two years.
No, the mandate is incoherent. “You have to buy insurance, but we won’t try to collect the fine unless we already have your money.”
It’s also cowardly. But that’s what Democrats do. They pulled the same trick in Connecticut with their gun laws that nobody is obeying. They won’t have the balls to enforce that one either. “Pass and pray” seems to be their motto.
“That’s what Democrats do”. LOL. Do you even read your posts before clicking “submit”? It’s like you’re playing for an audience from RedState.com, but they’ve already left the building.