The GOP plan leaves out all the hospitals.
And BTW, I’m only rooting for failure because the Democrats sold the bill on lies, thinking they could play the American people for fools. That kind of behavior should not be rewarded.
Not for the vast majority who have employer insurance or their own individual insurance.
The Democratic plan, by contrast, is to take away your employer and individual insurance and force you to buy inferior plans from the exchanges, at higher cost. All so that the 20% who didn’t have insurance could have it. Except most of them apparently don’t want it, because they’ve refused participation.
This the Democrats call success, which begs the question of what their real goal here was.
But they didn’t – the supposed “lies” have been vastly inflated and overblown.
Really? “you can keep your insurance if you like it”. “You can keep your doctor.” “The average family will save $2500”
that’s a pretty big trinity of lies.
They have that now. The GOP plan leaves 50 million people out of the system, with no doctors and no hospitals.
So your solution is to reward Republicans for lying “Death Panels!” “Socialism!” “Government getting between you and your doctor!” Not to mention, you’d be quite happy to deny health coverage to millions of people as collateral damage in your zeal to destroy the Democrats. Perhaps Obama should have said- “You can keep your own insurance , IF it’s compliant and IF your insurer doesn’t use the ACA as an excuse to get out of business. You can keep your own doctor UNLESS he’s a right wing political hack who wants to punish people for the ACA’s success.”
In the majority of cases, the ACA plan is superior and less expensive. And yes, this is so the uninsured can get coverage. You got a problem with that?
And they hardly compare to the lies that have been told *against *it, and continue to be told today, lies that **adaher **is willing to overlook for some reason he hasn’t yet shared with us.
The Republicans told zero lies. They may have made some bad predictions about the fallout of the law, but some of those prediction came true. Secondly, there’s a huge difference between lying about what might happen and it not happening, than lying to assure people something won’t happen and then it does.
It’s good to admit that the President should have said something other than what he said, but he didn’t because it would have sunk the law. The public would have melted down their Congressmen’s phones had they know they might lose their insurance. By lying about it, he made it a “Republicans say this, I say this” dispute, so the media reported the dispute instead of the facts.
Less expensive? Only if you count subsidies and the fact insurers have admitted they lowballed the first year to attract customers. As for the superiority, I guess if your bigggest problem is access to contraception, sure. If you have cancer, you got screwed.
Lies that had no consequences whatsoever, even if I concede they were lies. I concede no such thing, since all of the things you choose to call “lies” were simply bad predictions. I love how REpublicans are accused of knowing EXACTLY how the law works and therefore anything they got wrong was due to dishonesty, but the guy charged with implementing the law can plead ignorance and be excused for not knowing that his law would cause people to lose their insurance.
By saying that Republicans lied with intent and Obama lied out of ignorance is to basically call REpublicans policy wonks and Obama a moron.
More Fox News nonsense. You have been lied to.
You don’t think “DEATH PANELS!!! SOCIALISM!!!” is a lie?
A lie told out of ignorance. Unless you think Sarah Palin is more knowledgable than Barack Obama.
And not to parse what someone as simple as Sarah Palin says, but death panel in the conservative community means something real: such as Britain’s NICE, which decides what drugs will and won’t be covered by the NHS, not based on just safety, but also on cost. People do actually die based on NICE’s decisions to withhold needed medicine. Conservatives and many liberals as well fear that IPAB takes us down that same road. And if liberals are correct that this law is supposed to lead to single payer, that endpoint is unavoidable. Single payer systems cannot cover everything, so sacrifices have to be made.
“Socialism!” is a word that both supporters and opponents use to describe virtually anything. You might as well complain that Republicans saying the law sucks is a lie.
And again, even if Republicans did lie, not a single person suffered due to those lies. No one lost their insurance, no one is paying more, and no one has lost access to their doctor or hospital. Only the Democratic lies caused that.
THe other reason I root for failure, related to the first, is that the Democrats and the President, so desperate to pass this law at any costs, threw out the normal rules of political discourse. Instead of making the debate about what Republicans thought would happen with the law and what Democrats thought would happen with the law, the Democrats said that their predictions were truth and the Republicans’ were lies. The President went to townhalls and smugly reassured questioners not to believe what they were hearing, they could trust him.
And that’s the biggest reason why there’s a huge moral difference between what the Republicans said and what the Democrats said. The Republicans treated it like a debate over how the health care law would affect the health care system. The Democrats treated it like they already had all the facts and anyone who disagreed was “spreading misinformation”.
So it turned out their facts were wrong. They’d have more a of a claim to forgiveness if they hadn’t claimed with such certainty that they were right and the opposition were liars. It was an unprecedented breaking of political etiquette in order to get a law passed and it should stand as an object lesson to any future politicians.
No, a lot of people were harmed by Palin’s lies. If Palin’s lies helped to elect a Republican majority in the House, then if your unemployment benefits were ended, you were harmed. If you can’t get a job because Republicans are hell bent on sabotaging the economy, you were harmed. A lot of people believed Palin’s lies, and to excuse it because of Palin’s lack of intellect isn’t very comforting to those harmed by it.
The 85-90% payment figure was basing on early enrollees who have already received a bill. And seems 85-90% payment rate may be a generous overall estimate.
Of those who enrolled in a plan through the individual market, 76 percent were previously insured and 24 percent were previously uninsured. The CBO assumptions were that these enrollees would be largely previously uninsured.
Of those previously insured, 86 percent paid their initial premium for the selected plan. Of those previously uninsured, 53 percent paid their initial premium for their selected plan.
Math time. if the above rates hold (they might, they might not)
Per the RAND study* numbers…
76% of 7 million = 5.32 million previously insured.
86% of these 5.32 million paid their initial premium. That is 4.5752 million.
24% of 7 million = 1.68 million previously uninsured.
53% of these 1.68 million paid their initial premium. That is 0.8904 million.
Total who will have paid initial premium at the above payment rates = 5.4656 million, or 78.08% of the initial 7 million target with fewer than 1 million previously uninsured signed up through the exchanges.
Meanwhile around 9 million are estimated by the same study to have bought individual plans outside of the exchanges.
I certainly agree that a lot may still be in process.
And given that this HealthCare.gov website is far more complex a system than a single-vendor-owned website…
Do you think approximately 5 weeks is a reasonable amount of time for the website to get your file to your chosen insurer? I don’t. It needs to get better.
It’s things like that that I am referring to when saying there is a LOT more work to be done.
Democrats should not mark the end of the initial enrollment period as a Mission Accomplished moment. Didn’t work so well for the last President. Wouldn’t work so well here. In American football terms, I’d say it’s halftime - not yet time to parade around with a trophy. The work is not done.
- The RAND study showed 24% of those buying a policy on the marketplace exchanges were previously uninsured. A previous McKinsey study put that number at 27%.
What a selective memory. I seem to recall that Republicans refused to give any votes to the ACA, no matter what concessions were given (and many were). The Republicans had zero interest in debate, they were going to vote no in any event.
Democrats sure like to see things in political terms. The Palin lie was more consequential because it helped elect Republicans. which is far more disastrous than people losing their health insurance.
That’s even assuming that what Palin said mattered. It didn’t. Democrats seized on her comments. They correctly saw them as helping their case, not hurting it. They wanted to portray Republicans as dishonest and it was a useful statement to highlight. Especially since it drew attention away from Republican predictions that millions would lose their health insurance.
Progress is marked by milestones, of which there will be many. This is one.
I think Palin’s lies and her money helped elect some TeaBaggers to Congress. For every one of them in Congress, the nation suffers harm.