What Kind Of Car To Get -- Please Help!

So I’ve decided to sell my fairly nice car, which I am making substantial payments on, and buy a used one with the profit (less outstanding debt). This should leave me with a source of transportation (if not as nice a one) and no car payments. But I need the help of the auto-savvy Teeming Millions. Here’s the criteria:

  1. Car must cost less than $5000, and ideally less than $4000. Yes, I know this means I am probably looking at a car from the late 80s to mid 90s. I am resigned to this. The less the car costs, the better (as usual).

  2. Car must be reasonably reliable. I am not looking to make up the difference in payments by having the thing in the shop all the time. But I realize we’re not talking cars with extended warranties.

  3. Car can be small – in fact, very small, if necessary. I don’t even need a back seat, though I’m not looking for a sports car. I need it basically to zip around town. I have access to decent cars for out-of-town work trips, and I figure I can rent a car for any personal out-of-town road trips and still come out ahead. Plus I won’t be scheduling many of those over the winter anyway.

  4. Car should look decent – no total rust buckets need apply.

  5. Car need not come with a lot of bells and whistles. I’ll probably put in a tape deck, if it doesn’t have one, but I don’t care about AC, cruise control, etc. Again, it’s mostly for zipping around town in.

So – small, reasonably reliable, and cheap. What do the Teeming Millions suggest? I have looked at the Geo Metro (but I hear they are truly crappy); the Volkswagen Golf (can’t find any in my area; the Neon Scoupe (cute, but not realiable); the Subaru Justy (reliable, but older); and the Hyundai Accent (not too cute; not too reliable; but newer, and cheap). I would appreciate any advice and recommendations, comments on the above-listed cars, and suggestions of others I might look at. I really appreciate it.

I know it’s not what you’re looking for, but you could also include Small trucks and vans. I still lust after a 88 Chevy S10 with 4.3 liter v6 and a five speed. I had one that even with the 150hp it might have had, it handled wonderful. I currently own (and drive a lot) a 92 Voyager, which was also in your price range. It’s bigger than you’re looking for, but it will do everything you might need,including go out of town easy.

No one’s going to agree with me, probably, and you can feel free to ignore me, but here’s a recommendation that you’ll never think of otherwise: A 1990 Cadillac Sedan DeVille.

OK, it’s not small. But it is incredibly reliable, can be had for less than $5000, they tend to be in very decent condition, and they come with bells and whistles added on, even though you didn’t ask for them, lots of power with the 4.5L V-8, but still about 28mpg. I finally traded mine in, tearfully. It was beautiful. If I had known, I could have sold it to you. :slight_smile:

I just sold my extremely reliable 1990 Honda Accord for $4800. It was a great car - never once had a problem with it. It was the one with bells & whistles (CD Player, sun roof, power everything) so if you’re willing to forgo such pleasures you can probably get one even cheaper.

I’ve had 2 Chevy Cavaliers that were wonderful cars. I’d probably still be driving the fist one today (that would make it 12 years old by now) if a drunk sorority girl hadn’t hit it in my driveway and totalled it. The second one was a year older than the first, and had more miles, but still lasted quite a few years.

Also, the Cavalier body style after the ones I had is a lot more sporty. In general I’ve found them to be fairly sturdy cars. (I’ve known 2 other people who had them.)

I’ve got an F-150 now and love it, but I wouldn’t recommed it if you’ve got family to haul around.

I’d look for a import economy car, especially a Honda Civic or Toyata Corolla. I’ve seen early-to-mid '90s models in the classifieds around here (Madison, WI) for under $5,000. These makes have pretty good reliability, great gas mileage, and since they are fairly common they aren’t outrageously expensive to repair. I’m actually looking for something just like this since my “drive-to-work” car broke down a while back and I’m not enjoying the commute in our minivan. Which reminds me…anyone want to buy a 1990 Mitsubishi Mirage with 180,000 miles? Needs a little transmission work…

A Toyota is very economical, great gas mileage, not very expensive to repair, and a good deal used, since you could get 300,000 miles out of a Toyota you take reasonably good care of (oil changes, etc).

Good luck!

Corolla or Civic!!
Great transport,run like watches, just a couple points:
Corolla/Civic: Make sure the timing belt is newer or has been replaced around 75K. Both engines are “interference” engines meaning that when, not if the timing belt goes, instead of a new belt you get a new engine.
some older Honda brakes squeak- not a defect, just annoying. You can get a paste which helps but oh well…
Other than that here is a testimonial: A mechanic at my local Honda dealer has a 89 Corolla with 620,000 miles on it! Just regular fluid changes and not driving like a maniac! He goes to mexico twice a year, sometimes more from Chicago

In your circumstances, particularly if you’re able to drive a manual transmission, I’d be looking at the following makes/models in the 1992-1995 range, roughly in this order of preference:[ul]
[li]Honda Civic[/li][li]Toyota Corolla/Geo Prizm[/li][li]Mazda Protege[/li][li]Nissan Sentra[/li][/ul]

If, by some miracle, you found a 1995 Chevy Cavalier with reasonably low mileage priced within your range, you could add it to the list if you’d prefer an American mark, but that would unlikely, and you don’t want a pre-95 Cavalier. Otherwise, I can’t think of any American-branded vehicles in your price range I’d take a chance on.

All of the vehicles in this list have generally been extremely reliable (an important consideration looking at cars more than five years old), provide good basic transportation, and with the possible exception of the Sentra aren’t ugly. Most (except the Corolla/Prizm) are available in 2- or 4-door versions, as your preference lies, none are so small as to be useless (as is the Geo Metro), and you should be able to find them in your price range (as long as you’re willing to take base models with no bells/whistles). Granted that book value on the 1995s and some of the 1994s are at or above your stated price range, you might still find a 1995 with higher mileage that you could afford. Go back as far as 1992 and all of them should be readily affordable (but then you’ll almost certainly be dealing with a vehicle with 100K+ miles on it). Fuel economy, cost of tires and other regular maintenance, etc. should be an advantage with any of them. The reason I say that you should be able to drive a manual transmission is that any of these vehicles will be woefully underpowered with an automatic. You’d certainly have no trouble finding them with automatics, but be prepared to wait a day or so between the time you step on the gas and the time the car actually starts to move.

I drive a 1995 Honda Civic DX 4-dr. sedan myself, and have never spent a cent on unscheduled repair or maintenance (except for body work when someone hit it in a parking lot). I expect to get another several years of use out of it. I’ve driven a rental Corolla with an automatic for over a month when my Civic was in the body shop, and while it felt more cramped to me than the Civic, your opinion may of course be different; in general, it was quite an acceptable vehicle for commuting. My only reason for rating the Corolla slightly lower than the Civic is the same reason that I bought the Civic instead of the Corolla: nearly every Toyota is very, very good, but when they’re bad, they’re horrid (the Geo Prizm is mechanically the same vehicle with slightly different body styling, trim, and interior details). Any fundamental problems would have shown up well before now, however, so if you come across one that doesn’t have any red flags associated with it, it’ll probably be fine. My family and I have also had very good experiences with Mazda and Nissan products.

All in all, for maximum availability, affordability, and reliability, I’d say you could do worse than to go looking for a 1993 Geo Prizm LSi with low mileage. It should come in well within your budget (unless the mileage is extremely low). A 1993 Honda Civic CX Hatchback would also fit the bill nicely, if that suits your needs better than a four-door. If you can only drive an automatic, definitely go with the Prizm LSi with the optional 1.8 liter engine – you should still be able to afford it (with the 1.8, automatic, air, power steering, etc., and average mileage, you’re probably looking at $4200-$4500). The Corolla DX is nearly identical (except for having a few more features standard that were options on the Prizm) and has the 1.8, but typically the Toyota name means a slightly higher price.

To compare equipment, prices, etc., on used car models, check out http://www.edmunds.com.

I did a little research for Helena, MT and I think I found something that would work for you.

Ford Tempo - 1994
Description: It is red w/grey interior it has power windows,doors,locks. am-fm w/casette, air conditioning 4 cyl engine
Features: Automatic Transmission · Power Windows · Power Locks · Airbags · Air Conditioning
Price: $ 2,800.00 (By owner)

I ran an Edmunds Blue Book on the car, and it appraises for $4,905 Market Value, so this seems like a good deal though it might be in bad shape in terms of body and maybe mechanical. The mileage is low, however.

I also checked the VIN at carfax.com and it began life as a rental at a major rental company in Portland, OR before making its way to Helena. No shady things on the title or with the odometer according to the information i got.

If it’s still available, give it a test ride! I have always had good luck with Fords, and this seems like a good deal.

If this is taken, or you don’t like/want it, be careful with a car with a lot of miles on it, especially with the cars you are looking at. Smaller cars = smaller engines = less time before they shuffle off this mortal coil.

Check the Edmunds site at http://www.edmunds.com for information on value and how the makes and models generally held/hold up in terms of value, safety, reliability, etc.

Oh, and WTF does a lawyer need a cheap car like this for? :wink:


Yer pal,
Satan

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Jodi:

I was in your position just after moving back to the States from 10 years in Europe. I finally settled on a Ford Ranger 2WD pickup; paid $3800. Simple, reliable, economical if rather slow (it’s got a four-cylinder, but sixes are available), rides decently, easy to work on if necessary, and good for at least 250K, according to many owners.

Mine’s a '90 but it’s clean and rust-free. If the idea of a pick-em up turns your stomach or you’d rather have front-wheel drive, a small Honda, Nissan or Toyota from the early '90’s would be the ticket in your price range. Manual tranny if you can manage it; better for winter driving and much cheaper to repair than an auto box.

Since any car in the $5K range is likely to have fairly high mileage, have a mechanic you trust run a compression test on the engine of any vehicle you seriously contemplate buying. It should only cost 20-30 bucks and could save a nasty surprise later.

Not to contradict the Lord of Darkness, but if you investigate the Tempo, find out if the transmission has been replaced yet. Because if it hasn’t, it will be. Between my wife and I, we put two new ones in a 1988 Tempo, selling it for scrap when the third one died. To the best of my knowledge, Ford didn’t substantially change the tranny in the Tempos during the model’s lifetime, and I’ve heard plenty of other complaints about the Tempo/Mercury Topaz transmissions.

Also, by the time ours had 80K miles on it, every power option on it had stopped functioning – power locks, power windows, etc. Not vital, but annoying. It is a bigger, more powerful vehicle than those I mentioned, however.

Only anecdotal evidence, mind you, and YMMV.

I’m not sure what part of the country you live in, but if bad weather is an factor, I would deffinately look at Subarus. Off the top of my head I would say you could probably get a 92-93 Legacy for 4000-5000 with say 80-110k miles. Decent power, full time 4wheel drive, and 30ish gas milage. If buying from an owner look through their reciepts, and see if it looks like they were good about changing oil every 3000 miles. If they were, then the engine should be for a long time, till 200k or so. A new clutch and possible an alternator are traditionally all the legacys need to have replaced about that time(although if they havn’t replace the timing belt, then that may cost you a littleto get taken care of) Imprezzas are good too, and probably cost a little less.

At 74K you’re getting close to the end of the Tempo’s lifespan. My 1992 Tempo is up over 96K and has some things wrong with it that are going to cost more to replace than the car is worth.

Also, I’ve had two different recall notices on it, though that could have been just the model year that I have. I don’t know if there’s an easy way to check this, maybe the Ford dealer can run a check on the VIN? Like rackensack said, most of our power options have stopped working. But it has gotten us a good 50K miles without too much trouble.

I’ll be printing this out for future reference and toting it along as I look at cars.

I absolutely agree with everyone recommending Hondas – the car I have now is a 1998 Honda Civic EX Coupe (loaded) and it’s a great car. (Anyone in the market for a 1998 Honda Civic EX Coupe?)

SATAN – Thanks for your help, but please advise – how did you find listings for cars here in Helena??? If there’s a site for that, would you post it?

As a state lawyer, working in Montana, I think you would be surprised to learn just how little I make – a number so pathetically small I’m not even going to post it. I bought a house last fall and with some other bills blah blah blah . . . . I’ve just concluded I have other, better ways to spend the $450+ per month I spend on the car, gas, and insurance.

Again, thanks for all the help. I’ll be keeping your advice in mind as I shop for a decent car. :slight_smile:

Found the site, Satan, by clicking on the link (duh).

[Emily Litella] Nevermind! [/Emily Litella]

You can try a rental car company in your area, they sell their cars .

I absolutely LOVE my Saturn, and the company’s #1 priority is safety, which was important to me.

Should I ever need to buy another car, I will buy another Saturn without even researching further. (If you knew me, you would be more impressed than you are by that statement)

Excuse me as I plug my fav. car

Given the spects of the car you want, get a Toyota MR2!

The car is perfect for what you want. I personally had a 1986 MR2 before I moved to my 1991 MR2 and I loved every minute of driving it.

The 1985-1989 MR2s can be found inexpensively, usually $3000-$5000. Mine had 186000 miles on it and it ran like a champ. It got amazing gas mileage, looked cute in its own sort of way, and was an absolute blast to drive. Its got a lot of pickup for its small Normally Aspirated powerplant (the Supercharged version was even better). The car feels like your driving a gocart, easy to drive, as long as you know how to drive a mid-engine car. It takes about a week to get used to it, then you’ll feel like you’ve owned it forever.

You may say that a small car like that is not safe, I’ll personally testify to the safety of the 1986 – it took a hit and saved my life…

I was hit in the driver door by a 1991 camero doing 45 MPH. My MR2 was totaled, but I walked away from the accident.

The car does not have a back seat, so dont plan on carrying much, but you’ll enjoy every minute you’ve got the car.

As for the 1991, its outside of your price range ($7500-$10,000), but I love it even more…

I beg of you, whatever you do…do not even consider a Plymouth Neon. Nothing but a money pit. We have named my vehicle “Uncle Buck”, due to all the replacements and repairs we’ve had to pay. The thing that sucks, is we are still making payments on this vehicle, and are stuck because unable to purchase another (even if used) because i would NEVER be able to pawn this vehicle off on someone else knowing what I do about the car(except for a sucky dealer-but wouldn’t even get enough on it to consider as a trade in, merely a pay off on it), and secondly, the cash flow! Just whatever you do dear, don’t even consider the Neon.