What military tactics would've been wiser in Starship Troopers

Just watched this cult film recently. The whole movie I was noticing how shitty the military tactics are. A bunch of guys armed with guns that you need to hit each bug dozens of times to kill them or disable them? And have the guys basically be unarmored and easy to kill by the bugs?

Dumb.

My recommendations: Layer the planet with chemical weapons (insecticide) followed by helicopter gunships and tanks armed with machine guns. In fact, make the tanks remote controlled so no humans are being put at risk.

That would probably do it much better. You kill the bugs and they can’t kill you. That is the goal.

I just saved the future.

I don’t really see the need for a costly land campaign. Just keep the capital ships in orbit high enough so the bug anti-space defenses can’t reach them and nuke the bastards. Its the only way to be sure[sup]TM[/sup].

Don’t know how the bugs populate other planets. Some kind of space seed, maybe. If that’s the case, just embargo the planet and shoot down anything that tries to leave. Problem solved.

It the film, it seemed like the Bugs did a pretty good job denying the Federation orbital superiority with their ass-plasma barrages. So that right there seems like it would limit their ability to deploy large slow-moving orbital dropships full of tanks and helicopters.

In the book, the Mobile Infantry had power-armor which made the battles less one sided.

While I think an orbital bombardment would be the way to go, don’t forget they hit Earth with a big freaking rock from another galaxy. They should probably be able to defend their airspace somehow.

Power armor and a different director.

teach your god damned pilots about delta fucking v

I might have an issue with hollywood over that.

(the asteroid is headed for the ship, pilot instead of making a small maneuver early and dodging the thing waits til the last second and gets the bridge ripped off with her in it)

'Depends on what the objective is.

Is it merely to destroy the bugs, so they can no longer threaten Earth? In that case, genocide would probably be the most efficient solution—nuke Klendathu, or drop asteroids on it. 'Maybe just accelerate an unmanned starship from the boneyard (or just a less-valulable ship form the space fleet) up to a hideous fraction of c and slam it into the planet…my back of the envelope calculations are telling me that if you got a 30,000 ton ship up to a bit under 90% of the speed of light, the kinetic energy would be about equivalent to 243 Teratons of TNT. That’s probably enough to take the fight out of them.

Now, if the objective is to merely defeat the bugs—force them to stop fighting and surrender, leaving their territory intact enough that it could be annexed, that’s going to be a different story. I mean, why you’d want to try that with an enemy that’s literally mostly dumb, vicious wild animals, who live on a series of barren rocks on the other side of the galaxy is beyond me, but hey…“It’s never a soldier’s business to decide when or where or how—or why—he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals.” To coin a phrase. Hopefully, however, it would belong to better strategists than Zapp Brannigan.

On the other hand, if the objective is to prop up a highly militaristic society by deliberately engaging in wasteful, inefficient warfare as a means for controlling society, it’s resources, and pretext for remaining in power…well, the action in the movie might be working just fine. “We have always been at war with [del]the Skinnies[/del] the Bugs.”

I’ve also wondered why they dont use robots or drones. Imagine using a bunch of Terminator style robots?

Any.

And add some basic common sense as well.

I love how , at one point, the soldiers were surrounding the Bugs as they shot them up. Yep – a Circular Firing Squad – nothing can go wrong there.

Even without reference to the Heinlein book, the tactics used were superbly dumb. Yeah, let’s send out our highly-trained, expensively-armed soldiers one-on-one with Bug Soldiers who are Born ready to fight, armored, and highly and cheaply replaceable. That’s a winning strategy. And the Bugs appear to live in completely barren worlds with no obvious food supply. You can fanwank it all you want, but it’s pretty obvious that the battles were staged purely with an eye to cinematography.

How do you fight them? Not at all the way it was depicted. You can bomb so heavily that you glass over the surface, but the Bugs are safe underground (not unlike Heinlein’s book, that). You use a lot of tanks and the like , although the Bugs can undermine those, so you keep a lot of assets airborne or spaceborne. Use planes, helicopters and Osprey-like rotor craft, maybe dirigibles and gliders. Use the equivalent of bunker-buster bombs to set off explosions underground and collapse their tunnels. And keep diffing down until you get to their cores.

Chemical or bio warfare would seem like a better way to go, after all that’s how we handle insects here. For the ground troops something like a few cans of super long range quick take down wasp spray and fogger grenades. A line of boric acid as a area denial weapon, and diatomaceous earth delivered by aircraft.

After the movie came out, Jim Macdonald – who had served in the navy, did a scathing review and especially hammered on the bad military tactics.

Probably the most scornful paragraph (by a hair) is this:

The Eagles of Manwë could have just flown in and eaten them all.

Those soldiers reminded me of Monty Python’s Suicide Squad.

Sorry - are you talking about the Bugs or humans here?

No fucking kidding. Oh, and how about weapons where you didn’t need 5000 rounds to put down one lousy bug.

I just checked the credits list for Starship Troopers on iMDB. There’s a listing for a Weapons Specialist and a Weapons Assistant, but only one Technical Advisor (Dale A. Dyle). He must have been kept heavily sedated.*

The Guns of Navarone had seven Technical Advisors.

*He’s the Tech Advisor on almost 50 films. Most of them appear reasonable. I suspect Veerhoeven overruled him.

Of course, it is always pretty nebulous as to whether that was actually the bugs or just some really good propaganda.

Just compare them to those other bug-hunters, the Colonial Marines from Aliens. Those guys were just there for a recon/S&R mission, and yet they brought machine guns, grenades, flamethrowers, effective body armor and a frackin’ armored vehicle. Just think what they would have taken to Klendathu.

(Although, to be fair, they probably should have brought a more experienced CO. And maybe placed a perimeter around their aircraft, y’know?)

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Starship Troopers is pretty infamous for the extent to which the director hated the source material, and the movie is intended to be a parody - slash - condemnation of the book. It is extremely clear that nobody involved with the production cared about the actual points the book was trying to make, and as far as I’m concerned it’s dubious as to whether anyone actually read the damned thing.

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That said, you are quite correct that the soldiers in the movie represent the height of idiocy. There is no evidence of armor or artillery support, and IIRC only one scene that demonstrates air support. Modern military strategy hinges on the idea of combined arms (that is, multiple weapon systems acting in concert). It is often easier to defend against a single type of attack, so modern soldiers try to place every type of weapon (infantry, armor, arty, CAS, etc) on the target at the same time.

It’s not clear in the movie that they are exercising any tactics at all. I got no sense that they knew what squad or platoon they were supposed to be in, or what each unit’s sector was supposed to be. They just all kind of ran around in a disorganized mob. Perhaps the filmmakers were so critical of the book’s conservativism that they wanted to make it look like Soviet Russia, or perhaps they were just a bunch of fucking idiots who didn’t care.

FWIW, the book doesn’t really emphasize the war part of it. The point of the book is the examination of how their military (and more generally, their society) functions. I haven’t done an exact page count, but I’d be willing to be the book devotes more time to Rico’s stint at officer candidate school than the actual battle scenes. In what battle scenes we do see, each Mobile Infantryman is heavily armored, can make rocket-assisted jumps, and carries area denial and tactical nuclear weapons. In the very first chapter Rico nukes a piece of enemy infrastructure basically for giggles. The infantry in the book are far better equipped to handle this type of combat than their movie counterparts.

I’ll offer one more point, which is kind of a criticism of the entire “Space Marine” genre as a whole: I cannot conceive of any reason to land human troops on the surface of a deserted planet. It’s a trope that we see over and over in fiction, whether it’s the novel “Armor,” “The Forever War,” “Warhammer 40,000,” or even “Star Wars.” In real life, we don’t go around glassing entire countries because (A) contrary to what the HRC crowd might think, humanitarian concerns do play a role in our decision-making and (B) nuclear warfare is not cool.

If the planet is full of xenocidal semi-sentient insects, with no infrastructure or other objective worth preserving, these moral constraints go out the window. I’d just nuke the shit out of it from orbit and move on. The only time soldiers should even set foot on the planet is if there is some resource or infrastructure that needs to be captured (such as a brain bug). The movie was filmed in the goddamned Badlands, after all. What strategic territory were they trying to sieze? Once you establish air/space superiority and isolate the critters on the planet, you can just “island hop” to a more strategically important area.