Yeah, it’ll piss Lenin off too, he has high hopes for Sanders.
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
This is darling (and quite a frequent statement), but she definitely did make and play nice with President Obama, and he definitely opposed her.
The conventional wisdom is that you stop campaigning when you run out of money. That won’t happen to Bernie for some time to come. Expect him to tone down the rhetoric, though.
You realize that she lost to Obama, right? Not the other way round.
Yes, because the Clintons have displayed such enmity towards President Obama. If they had a real “enemies list”–why would the fact that he’d won make them cooperate?
Pretty sure the foot stamping and “I’m never gonna vote for HER!” will drown all of that out.
Lots more than he was expected to get when he started? No question. He exceeded expectations. Surprised even himself I suspect.
But Clinton in '08, ending up within 0.5% of the popular vote (and ahead if MI and FL counted), that was lots and lots of votes. And was, correctly, called losing, and entitled her to no policy demands, with none given.
Losing by 15% in actual votes (including caucus estimates)? Seriously that is losing by lots and lots of votes.
The solid majority of the party has not been buying what he is selling. And of that minority who did vote for him far from all are endorsing any specific policies or positions more than the generic message of “change” - which always has some significant demographic appeal.
Once again, I am completely fine with him staying in the race. Him being in the race making the case for specific policies? No reason for that to be over. I just want to see him making the case of how bad the GOP candidates would be and how good he’d be and why, specifically, not the just the same exact stump speech again. No more of his longstanding attempts to disqualify Clinton. He’s been for months now making the case of why to vote against Clinton, not why to vote for him. Hopefully that stage is over.
“She started it” claims aside, I can state with absolute certainty that if he moves into that position she will be as nicey nice as can be.
Because Hillary would never have a chance to become president otherwise. Were you alive 8 years ago? Do you think that they just kissed and made up? I don’t doubt Hillary’s ability to kiss ass to get what she wants, but when she wins in November she has what she wants and anyone who doesn’t serve her purposes won’t get the time of day.
That’s totally what I used to say about the southwest!
For better or for worse both of the Clintons have been in politics a long time. And politics functions according to game theory with multiple turns. Reputation for following through on deals made (both positive and in retribution) follows you into next turns.
Trying to publicly force Clinton into positions that she will not accept, even cannot accept without minimally appearing weak, will have an opposite than the desired longer term effect. Getting promises off the stage of what will happen after he delivers on doing his best to help drive up general election turnout in November with particular attention to some key downticket districts and some particular states … will lead to promises kept.
Yes. Because, you know… he opposed her. That famed “enemies list” didn’t seem to come into play there. What, you are saying she didn’t want to make an enemy of someone if it wasn’t going to be political advantageous to her later - so what is your complaint now about Senator Sanders getting frozen out?
I swear, some of the contortions that anti-Clinton people tie themselves into to try to stress how “evil” they are make no sense to me.
Eh, if we’re down to “Fine, but you’re not going to win the right way! So there!”, I’m okay with that.
So it’s his duty to abandon his race and try and get his wretched opponent elected ? In return for unwritten backroom promises ? Left-wing promises that go against every fibre of her being ?
Good luck with that.
The worrying thing is that once in power, the nearest left opposition will be the Trumpites. The DNC will scatter the progressives and the sandernistas and rely on their own minorities and the moderate Republicans to bring in Free Trade Everything and Austerity for all. Nearly all.
So it’s his duty to abandon his race and try and get his wretched opponent elected ? In return for unwritten backroom promises ? Left-wing promises that go against every fibre of her being ?
Good luck with that.
The worrying thing is that once in power, the nearest left opposition will be the Trumpites. The DNC will scatter the progressives and the sandernistas and rely on their own minorities and the moderate Republicans to bring in Free Trade Everything and Austerity for all. Nearly all.
But, Bernie’s folks are going to continue to work–with his continuing leadership, of course. To nominate & elect as a many Progressive Democrats as they can. To Congress & the Senate. To State & Local offices. Their numbers will not be denied!
Or not…
Where are possibly imagining anyone saying that?
If he believes that his opponent is clearly “wretched” and her likely competition in the general would be no worse or maybe better for the country and the world, then he has a duty to oppose her and to disqualify her as strongly as possible, both now, through the convention, and into the general election. Certainly no duty to help.
If however he believes that his opponent “will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day”, and with a less obstructionist Congress might actually move the country in the general direction he wants to see it go, and avoid moving it backwards dramatically in many many ways, then he has a duty to work to help elect her in the Fall and to achieve that less obstructionist Congress. Whether he gets promises or not.
That’s why you suspend, not concede.
So what DO posters here expect WILL be the results on 4/26.
Polling and betting markets are looking like a Clinton sweep, possibly by double digits for delegates overall, is more likely than not.
Does that expectation help Sanders continue to keep his supporters engaged if he ends up winning one or even two, and keeps his overall loss under double digits? Will the goal of keeping his supporters engaged for him, and donating to him, served best not by actually being on a path to get the nomination, but by exceeding expectations?
Bernie wins Rhode Island. That’s about it. He’ll keep picking up the lamb’s share of delegates in the remaining states. Maybe he’ll have a last hurrah in CA. It’s back to just being a message campaign again.