Is there anyone at ** ALL ** out there who still believes in “the creation” as opposed to evolution ? I don’t think there is…
Mr B, might I suggest that you click “Back” and then “New Thread”, entitling it “Oswald did not shoot JFK” and proceeding to attempt to debunk anything found in the mcadams page. (For the record, Oswald rules out being in that photograph by his own words, claiming he was eating lunch inside the building).
You will enjoy a lively and well-informed debate.
Tarantula, that is off topic but I will respond anyway:
I do believe in creationism in the sense that I think that God created the world. But I do not think that he did it in 6 days and that he placed all the little fossils into the ground in order to have fun with scientists.
God may have used evolution as a tool to create the earth, who knows. On the other hand, evolution is a theory, as all knowledge we have from experimental science (see Karl Popper - I love him). So evolution may or may not be true, and it may or may not be true in the form we know today.
I myself find it hard to believe that such complex beings as humans have been formed by evolutionary processes alone. We might be on the right track with evolution but I would not rule out that there is much more in it than we imagine today.
By the way, I am scientist and do not consider myself a religious fundamentalist.
According to that website, there have been 65 cases of SARS in the US, making us sixth on the list (fifth if you count China and Hong Kong together). One of the reasons the disease has been out of control in China and not so much in the US or Canada is that we both had more warning and set up better methods of isolation and containment. All reports indicate that early Chinese disease management for this was a disaster.
Mr. B,
As of last week, the SARS coronavirus (SCV) had passed Koch’s Postulates, thus proving scientifically that the one virus causes SARS.
Whether or not Asians are more susceptible has not been asked scientifically. I can’t imagine it is likely, as there is a much more simplistic answer which fits the facts. Nearly all diseases have geographic basis. Even the common flu has serotypes found in different locales – the Spanish flu versus the Asian flu and so forth. Since the carrier for SARS is proposed to be civets, and eating civet is a Chinese delicacy, one would propose that Chinese would be exposed more often. With the population density and the lackluster quarantine efforts, it has epidemic written all over it.
Most of the spreading of SARS was done by hypercontagious super-spreaders. Toronto was unlucky to get one of these (it was one guy by most accounts), and all Toronto SARS cases were contacts of that one guy. Similar things happened within China to spread it from province to province.
Now I’m gonna go off on HIV/AIDS.
Now HIV/AIDS. My problem with the AIDS conspiracy guys is the same with all of the conspiracy guys. They have a problem with a theory, they wave their arms around a lot and claim that they are being oppressed by the scientific community, but all the while they never propose another credible, testable theory. There are plenty of scientists with dissenting views out there, but they work their ass off in the peer-reviewed literature not only pointing out flaws in old models but testing their new models. Duesberg and ilk will never change the scientific community by publishing books and web sites which are not subject to peer review. They will never change anybody’s mind by citing out-of-date studies disingeniously. They will never change anybody’s mind without doing real science and publishing it in real journals.
That being said, there is a lot less evidence attributing AIDS to HIV than there is SARS to SCV – namely the Koch’s postulates. It is impossible to fulfill them for HIV because there are no adequate animal models for HIV infection (SIV infection in monkeys doesn’t count). But, the same can be said for many diseases – Treponema pallidum, which causes syphilis, cannot be cultured and therefore has never fulfilled Koch’s postulates. So it is a condemnation, but it isn’t a very strong condemnation.
The biggest argument to me for AIDS and HIV (besides the stunning lack of a tested alternative) is in the treatment. Forget AZT – it is an old drug that is now only used as an optional part of HAART (highly active anti-retroviral therapy). HAART is a triplet of drugs, of which one or two of these drugs are protease inhibitors. These were specifically designed against the HIV protease (they have no know effect against any other virus). These drugs cause the HIV titers and mRNA levels to plummet, and people get up off of their deathbeds and go back to work.
Yes, there are strange things going on with HIV (Seronegative AIDS cases, seropositive long term nonrepsonders). It is to be expected in a virus with such a complex lifecycle. It is to be expected in a system as complex as the human immune system, in a population as widely studied as the HIV+ one. It is to be expected when we have really only worked on the disease for 20 years. But the fact that HAART puts the disease into a virtual remission is good enough evidence for me and most of the medical community.
Rather like Mr B, who has offered me nought in the way of more information
I’m thinking the sleeper ship Botany Bay, the Eugenics Wars, and Khan Noonien Soong.
Esprix
That one’s already true.