There were only three circle game gestures in all of those links. One, I talked about earlier and because of his hands being cuffed to his waist its not possible to be sure what symbol he was trying to make in the first place. The other two were Bash and some high school kid. So if its not Bash you’re calling a neo-nazi, it must be the high school kid? That one photo is enough for you to accuse that kid of being a white supremacist?
You mean the one kid surrounded by all the others throwing a hand or fist up in the air like a bunch of neo-Nazis? Yeah, that’s enough for me. Crazy, how I rushed to judgement, right? I mean, they’re all probably pretending to be Roman soldiers, or just a high school theater class doing a salute to Broadway.
Anyway, I’m done with this thread. I said it was the Circle Game and a thorough investigation by the FBI, the NCIS and two military acadamies came to tha very conclusion. Some would say that means I knew what I was talking about. Others will say it somehow makes me self-righteous and incredulous. And still others seem to think that the entire recognition of the racist problem in America hinges on this one single incident and that denying this one incident is racist is somehow denying or marginalizing racism in our society.
I said this incident wasn’t racist and the investigation determined I was right. There really isn’t anything more for me to discuss.
This guy, right? The one accused of murdering a bunch of people in a mosque and being accused of a hate crime. This is the guy you’re “unsure” about? :dubious:
Pull the other one. It’s the holidays and it just might jingle. Fuck me. :rolleyes:
So, Obama the Clinton’s and every other Liberal since 1789 is a White Supremacist? Good to know. Now, contemplate your liberal desire to enslave Blacks and Hispanics.Especially that cute illegal you hired as a maid.
Illegal? You’re definitely not racist. Please play the game all you want.
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Support your statement with links and analysis, please.
I think the OK sign (and, by extension, the ‘circle game’ sign) are irrevocably corrupted. People who use them on TV or in photos which they know have a high likelihood of going viral are either:
A) Being racist.
B) Being ‘ironically’ racist, which, unless you’re a character comedian doing a bit, is functionally identical to regular racism.
C) Trying to ‘Own the libs’, by making them flip their shit over something which no sane person would consider racist. This isn’t racist, but it doesn’t matter. The aforementioned libs will flip their shit and the rest of us don’t know you so it’s hard to argue that you’re not really doing (A) or (B). And the more often this happens the less likely we are to care; because you’re either a racist or a bear-baiting dumbshit who was asking for it, and neither figure inspires sympathy.
So yeah. OK is dead. ‘Circle game’ is dead, too, because fuck off! You’re not fooling anyone. And isn’t it weird how people only got really into playing the ‘circle game’ on TV circa November 2016? Never really used to see it before that…
So yeah. OK is dead. And liberals killed it. The sheer alacrity with which the hardcore progressive left played along with this obvious 4Chan troll was really something to see. All it took was for Mike Cernovich to use it, like, once in a viral photograph and liberals did everything else.
I wonder what other innocuous hand symbols Mike Cernovich could ruin. How about thumbs up? That could easily be made racist. One thumb over four knuckles —> 1 and 4 together is 14 —> 14 words —> thumbs up = ”We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. Piece of cake. All anyone needs to do is get Cernovich to do it in public a few times and the liberals will do the rest. Just like they did before.
How about the index and pinkie finger ‘devil horns’ sign? Well, that kinda looks like an H, so if you do it with both hands you get HH. That one’s self-explanatory.
V sign? Well, I’m not creative enough to figure out a way to make that racist, but I’m sure someone is. I can, however, make it transphobic. V sign uses 2 fingers —> 2 fingers = 2 genders —> V sign = ‘There are only 2 genders’. Sneer all you like, but all it’d take would be for a couple of prominent TERFS to do it in public and liberals would do the rest. Again.
Basically, any hand gesture can be given an offensive spin. Liberals have shown the alt-right that they’re so desperate to believe they’re surrounded by bigots that they’ll do all the heavy lifting when it comes to turning innocuous gestures into Nazi dog-whistles. Frankly, it’s a miracle we’ve only lost the OK sign.
The fuck are you even talking about?
Well, if you insists on using heretofore benign hand signals as racist tropes, maybe just keep your hands in your pockets and stop blaming liberals for your moral failures.
Not really the point. How about, next time a racist claims that a benign hand sign is actually a super-secret alt-right dog whistle, liberals tell him to fuck off instead of playing along like a bunch of sheep? How about we give that a try? See what happens.
No argument here. But what do we do with all the folks busy giving the racists cover with the ‘plausible deniability’ excuses? e.g. Handcuff guy.
Never saw it before then? It was likely fairly common, we just didnt get a million SJW tracking down every usage and spreading it across twitter.
The American flag. White power guys love to wave the stars & stripes. We have already lost the Dont tread on me" flags.
But let’s not give up. I guess It’s time to ignore both the SJW and the Alt-right, they are both crazy as bat shit it seems.
Cover?:dubious: We already know he is a racist asshole, do we need the Ok sign to confirm it?
Just ignore it. I am not saying ignore the racists, but ignore the OK sign.
Well, it’s more than just “them” saying it. It’s the numerous investigators and the official position of the US Navy. So there’s that. *shrug
Besides, people can be dipshits without being racist.
This is so clearly just my two kids in the backseat playing the “I’m not touching you!” game. These folks know what they’re doing. They are doing it to play a little in game to identify themselves to each other. And then, they fall back on the equivalent of “I’m not touching you!” with this, “It’s just an OK symbol and everyone makes that gesture.”
Whether it’s a serious secret symbol to indicate membership in a secret society of racists or a childish game indicating membership in a public society of racists doesn’t much matter to me.
There are other very significant differences. Starting with the Godwin’s Law problem of that whole comparison. In general IMO if one can’t make analogies and comparisons other than to Nazi Germany, it’s generally a sign of a not that strong argument. Even as it applies to people who might admire Nazi Germany, but who are losers on the margins of society. Not that it’s all OK because they are marginal losers, since the Nazi’s also started out in that position. But there’s still a huge factor of hindsight in comparing fringe political groups to groups which came to control a major country and wage global war and genocide. There should probably be non-Nazi examples and comparisons if it’s a really strong argument.
So what other difference besides a group we only reasonably view in terms of its actions as rulers of a major country v fringe groups with no gtee of ever being anything else? Well for one the swastika was an obscure symbol from other cultures as far as Euro-centric people in the West of the 1920’s. It wasn’t at all comparable to arguably reasonable (Gadsden flag, IMO) or unreasonable (13 star US flag, again IMO) claims that fringe groups have successfully captured traditional US symbols to the point where non White Power Americans have to drop those symbols or else be complicit in WP.
The hand gestures are more obscure than the flags but also obscure in the sense of lack of common understanding which ones are really the same, as among ‘OK’, ‘upside down OK’ or ‘circle game’ (which I’d never heard of previously BTW) gestures. That ambiguity doesn’t exist in the hindsight view of the Nazi swastika, which since the WWII era is one of a handful of the the world’s best known symbols.*
*Saturday’s WSJ had an op-ed by a French journalist on the religious conflict in Nigeria with picture and part of article interview with a Fulani man, perhaps part of anti-Christian extremist groups there, wearing a swastika flag t-shirt. In that context of a remote part of the third world there might be some credibility in his claim it was just a shirt with a ‘German symbol’. There’s always some question of the symbol wearer/shower’s knowledge and intent. But only in a pretty extreme case in rich western country context can you cut anybody slack for ‘unknowing’ display of Nazi form of swastika. I think that’s quite different for obscure hand gestures, or for heretofore non-WP US national symbols claimed to have been ‘coopted by WP’.
Let me understand your argument here. A bunch of racists took over an innocuous signal to show other racists that they are racist while maintaining plausible deniability and it’s the fault of liberals who point out that they are doing it?
I think the argument is more of “10 people in a country of 360 million did an innocuous signal because they are racist morons, trolling morons on 4chan started a ‘it’s racist’ trolling campaign that people believed for some reason, and because of that, innocent midshipmen playing a stupid game that has existed for 30 years had to undergo an investigation to prove they weren’t racist”
Yes. That’s what happens when you feed the trolls. The Very Online left has spent the last three years going apeshit whenever anyone’s flashed an OK sign on TV or in a photo. Instead, they should’ve just ignored them. The fad would’ve quietly fizzled out and the rest of us would still be able to use the OK sign.