What should I see/do in San Francisco?

I’m going to California next month! I’m so excited! :smiley:

When I was born, my father was in the Army and assigned to the Defense Language Institute (DLI) in Monterey: nine months later we moved on to Texas, then Germany, and eventually we settled on the East Coast. For as long as I can remember my father has talked about taking me back to Monterey someday (and taking my brother back to Germany, where he was born), and now we’re finally going! We’re hoping that we’ll still be speaking to each other by the time we get home. :wink:

We’re flying into Oakland the night of 2/15, and coming back on 2/20. That gives us four full days to see Monterey/Carmel and San Francisco. Dad figures that the “memory lane” stuff will take a day, max – visiting the church where I was baptized and the town we used to live in (Pacific Grove), seeing what we can of the DLI, etc. So there are a few other things in both areas that we’re talking about doing:[ul][li]visiting the San Juan Bautista mission and seeing the San Andreas fault[/li][li]going to Sausalito[/li][li]going to Big Sur[/li][li]going to Alcatraz (Dad found a place that will combine Alcatraz with a bus tour of SF)[/li][li]going to the Palace of Fine Arts[/ul][/li]What else should we consider?

Our time there isn’t unlimited, but we’re still figuring out what we want to try to do. One of us will get an idea and run it past the other in an e-mail (for instance, Alcatraz was my big idea; Hearst Castle was his, but it’s too far away for our level of interest), then every few days we talk on the phone. The plane tickets are booked, but he’s holding off on finalizing hotel reservations until we figure out how long we’ll be in each area. We don’t have to have every minute planned, but we’d hate to get back and have someone ask one of us, “Why didn’t you go to X while you were there?”

Any suggestions will be appreciated! I’m really looking forward to this trip. :slight_smile:
P.S. There’s a chance that Dad and I could go our separate ways for a night in SF, in which case I’ll most likely start a separate thread that weekend begging for someone to meet me for a drink or something. :wink:

I just spent several minutes looking for this thread, and realized that I meant to start it in IMHO. :smack:

Oh well. I guess it kind of fits MPSIMS, too!

Go see the Carmel mission if you haven’t planned for it already. We did the central coast tour over New Year’s and Carmel was a major highlight. If you’re a Steinbeck fan, at least go see Cannery Row, even if it’s a tourist trap.

Other than that, I haven’t really got anything to add – we were chased off the coast by the bad weather so we didn’t get to do much.

Oh! If a trip to San Jose isn’t out of the question, maybe a visit to the Winchester Mystery House? It’s definitely worth seeing.

Is/was the DLI at Fort Ord? Not much left of Fort Ord, we visited what was left of it on our trip as my FiL did basic there.

In any case, have lots of fun on your trip!

No, The DLI is at the Presidio of Monterey, while Fort Ord is/was up the road in Seaside.

Hey, Misnomer, when was your dad at the POM? What language did he study? I learned Russian when I was stationed there. It truly is a beautiful city and area of the country.

If you like the fishies, the Monterey Bay Aquarium is outstanding.

Your tour will hopefully hit Mission Dolores-- definitely worth exploring, and although touristy, NOT a tourist trap.

If y’all like food and wine at all, go check out the newly renovated Ferry Building.

San Francisco has a sizable Russian community if you want to go check that out. It’s centered roughly around the St. John Russian Orthodox Church area on Geary Street: http://www.stjohnsacademysf.org/index.html

And definitely DON’T miss out on exploring Chinatown by foot. That’s the only way to find the more interesting back alleys and shops.

If you want to see some hang gliders close up, check out Fort Funston on a Sunday. It’s on Hwy 1 in the south end of the city. You can also go hiking around and see some of the fortifications built during WWII, to protect against a possible Japanese invasion.

If you’re spending a second day up near SF to see Sausalito, there’s some other good places near there:

Angel Island - some older military buildings, and the immigration station (detention center for Chinese entering the US). Bit of walking needed.

The ferry for Angel Island leaves from Tiburon/Belvedere, which are similar to Sausalito in character.

Heading toward the coast there’s Muir Woods, Mt. Tam, and the Marin Headlands.
Other places to go along the coast, north of Monterey : Santa Cruz, Año Nuevo (elephant seals), Pigeon Point (lighthouse).
In San Jose : Winchester Mystery House, Tech Museum, Rosicrucian Museum (Egyptian collection). Another mission at Santa Clara University (Mission San Jose is in Fremont).

If you’re staying in the East Bay before or after you leave, there’s Berkeley to the north, parks in the Oakland hills (Joaquin Miller has some great views). I also like the SF Bay Wildlife Refuge (park center in Fremont). You can look at the salt ponds and the absence of ducks.

Further east, there’s Mt. Diablo. One of the most encompassing views in the world (I’ve heard anywhere from 2nd to 4th best). Clear winter weather will favor you, and you can drive to the top, but it is a rather long way out just for that.

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! This is exactly what I was looking for. :slight_smile:

The Winchester Mystery House has been mentioned a couple of times: my parents went there when I was a baby, and Dad’s probably not interested enough to go again. It’s more Mom’s speed. But if we wind up in that area I’ll mention it to him.

I’m thinking June 1971 - June 1972. I was born in September 1971, and I know he’d been there for several months by then. Just yesterday afternoon he was reminiscing about the drive to Texas, and I’m pretty sure he said it was in June of '72.

So did he. :slight_smile:

If you think you might have been there at the same time as him, feel free to send me an e-mail through my profile!

Never mind: I just looked at your profile and I see that you’re my age. :smack: :slight_smile:

You might consider taking a day and run inland to visit Yosemite. It’s spectacular this time of year, although you’ll want to make sure you carry chains - I don’t know if car rental places are thrilled with that situation though.

If you’d like, email me. I’ve been meaning to head up there this winter myself, and have a rather large truck with chains if you’d like an escorted tour. I’m located about two hours directly inland from Monterey, and Yosemite is about two hours further east. And mid-week is wonderfully quiet and peaceful. In fact, our local paper just did an article on it today: Yosemite in winter.

Just so you have some idea of timing -

I recommend the regular and behind the scenes tour of the Winchester House.] (The combo is named the Grand Estate Tour) This will can consume four to six hours, depending on how busy the place is. While you’re waiting for the tours to begin, you can browse the museums and estate grounds.

A trip to Monterey is definitely an all-day affair as it’s about two hours south of San Francisco. The Aquarium is a must-see if you’re into fish. If you run through the place, it’s still easily going to take two or three hours. The rest of Cannery Row has become a bit tourity. For cheap eats, there’s a grocery store on David, about two blocks south of the aquarium. If it’s a nice day, get a deli sandwich and find a spot along the shoreline to have lunch. Recall there’s a bay-side park east of the aquarium with a scattering of tables.

Hearst Castle is so far away, it’s really best done as an overnight trip.

Walking the Golden Gate Bridge is a treat; it’s the only way to really see it and the view is stunning, as would be obvious.

BTW take a good thick sweater or two. SF is probably warmer than what you’re used to in DC, in February, but it can still be chilly. I always like sweaters when I’m visiting a strange city because it’s nice to have something you can take off and tie around you when you don’t want to wear it.

I’d recommend a windbreaker or trenchcoat over that sweater, or a warm jacket instead. If you get wind and fog, a sweater by itself isn’t going to do much. Plus it rains a lot in February.

just a tip, stay away from Castro unless that’s your kind of thing :D.

Thanks for all of the continued suggestions! :slight_smile:

Cowgirl Jules: What a great offer, thank you! Unfortunately, traveling with my father means that any part of driving through Yosemite in a truck with a complete stranger is right out of the question. <grin>

gotpasswords: Thanks for the info! I won’t mention the Winchester House unless we’re in that area with an afternoon to kill and no one has a better idea: as I mentioned, Dad’s already been there, and I’m not interested enough to drag him there again. Besides, I got him to agree to Alcatraz – I don’t want to push my luck. :wink:

We have a full day of Monterey stuff to do just chasing down memories, but if we wind up with extra time there I’ll keep the aquarium in mind. He lives in Baltimore, though, which has a very good aquarium of its own, and we’re both of the mind that when we’re traveling we’d rather see/do things we couldn’t see/do at home. :slight_smile:

Hearst Castle is completely off the table: I was never that interested to begin with, and as soon as Dad realized how far away it is and how twisty and narrow that part of Rt. 1 is he lost interest himself.

Spectre of Pithecanthropus: You know, if the weather holds out (and the old man is up for the walk), the bridge might just be a good idea. Thanks!

I’m not much of a sweater-wearer when I’m going to be out and about: I’d rather dress in one layer and bring a windbreaker. I tend to run warm, and since the windbreaker is a must (as sturmhauke notes) I’d rather not have two pieces of clothing to tie around my waist. :wink:

Zhai’helleva ashke: I know you were kidding, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we do wind up checking out Castro: my father is gay, and I spent nearly all of my 20s in the community (my best friend was gay well before I found out about Dad). We probably won’t go at night, though. :smiley:

I’ve been back home for just over 24 hours, and figured I’d post a follow-up: the trip was great! The weather was a little chilly the whole time, and it rained off and on Friday and Saturday, but it always cleared up right when we got to a destination. It really worked out quite well.[ul][li]Wednesday night my father and I landed in Oakland and stayed at an airport hotel.[/li][li]Thursday morning we drove to San Juan Bautista and saw the mission there (the fault line itself is no longer viewable, but we could see a noticeable drop in the field behind the mission). Then we went to Pacific Grove and checked into our motel, followed by some light PG and Monterey sight-seeing. We used to live in PG, and I was born in Monterey, so there were some trips down memory lane for my dad. Watching the sun set on the beach at PG was pretty cool, though also pretty cold. <grin>[/li][li]Friday was more Monterey, including their Fisherman’s Wharf (both parts). We also drove to Big Sur, and got some nice photos. I expected there to be a small town, or at least someplace to get some lunch, but there’s really nothing but the ocean! We turned around on Rt 1 after taking pictures and drove back into Monterey. We went to the hospital where I was born, and in the gift shop my father bought me a small stuffed elephant wearing a sweater that says “I was born at Community Hospital of Monterey.” The place where we stayed in PG was very nice: I heartily recommend the Butterfly Grove Inn to anyone who needs a place to stay in that area. If I ever make it to the Monterey Jazz Festival I’ll happily stay there again.[/li][li]Saturday morning we drove to San Francisco. We went directly to the Castro (Zhai’helleva ashke, I thought of you!), where we managed to park for a while so we could get out and walk up and down the street. We stopped into the A Different Light bookstore and browsed some, and I bought a couple of books. We had lunch at a Slider’s there, then drove out to the Palace of the Legion of Honor. Cool museum! Cool views of SF! By the time we were done at Legion of Honor it was late enough for us to check into our motel, so that’s what we did. Talk about a lesson in booking a place you’re not familiar with! As much as I recommend the Butterfly Grove, I warn people away from the Pacific Motor Inn on Lombard (at Broderick). It was relatively clean, but really just one step up from a flea-bag motel … and though my room was marked as non-smoking, the bedsheets reeked of cigarette smoke. I’m not a complainer, but that’s the closest I’ve come to ever asking for a new room (by the time I got into bed and noticed the smell it was late and I was too tired to change rooms). Luckily, we only had one night there. Anyway, after we checked in we drove downtown and parked at Ghiradelli Square, then took the Powell-Hyde cable car all the way up. That was pretty cool.[/li][li]Sunday morning we were picked up by a tour bus at the motel, and went on a 3-hour tour of San Francisco. Bus tours can be iffy, but this one was very good and our tour guide had a good sense of humour. We saw everything, including stops at Twin Peaks and the base of the Golden Gate bridge (which we then drove over). After the tour they took us to Pier 41, where we got the ferry to Alcatraz. That was one of my favorite parts of the whole trip. It’s the only place where I bought a t-shirt, but then I left it on the shuttle bus that brought us back to our car (which we’d left at the motel). :smack: We walked around Fisherman’s Wharf until it was time to catch the shuttle. Sunday night we drove back to Oakland, to the same airport hotel we’d stayed at on arrival.[/li][li]Monday morning we went to the airport and caught our flight home.[/ul][/li]My other big “:smack:” thing is that I left my digital camera at home! I had to buy disposable cameras on the trip, and will have to wait for the film to be developed before I can post any photos. But I will post photos.

I was a little concerned about how my relationship with my father would survive the trip: we hadn’t traveled together in over 20 years, and he can really be a great big jerk sometimes. He’s one of those people who goes through life with only the slightest idea that there are other people around him – he says and does what he wants when he wants, no matter if it inconveniences anyone. Yet, if the slightest thing bothers him he’ll be very passive-aggressive about it and will be put out for the rest of the day. Knowing this about him I wondered how it would be to travel together, but it turns out that we got along pretty well: he did have his jerk moments, but I can deal with them. One of the nice things about growing up is that you stop being embarrassed by the bad behaviour of those around you. :wink:

What didn’t go so well, though, was the driving. My father is a horrible driver. I mean, horrible. Bad enough that his insurance company dropped him last year. I’m truly amazed that he hasn’t ever been seriously hurt in an accident of his causing, and/or that he hasn’t seriously hurt someone else. He drives the way he does everything else: with no regard for anyone around him. He goes whatever speed he wants, paying no attention to speed limits (either high or low), and he tends to ignore stop signs. He tends to ignore most highway signs, actually (like “yield,” “lane ends,” etc.). We came within centimeters of hitting other cars 3 times – I’m talking slamming on the brakes at the very last minute because he wasn’t paying attention – and got beeped by other cars several times. (I drove to Big Sur and into San Francisco, but I knew it would seriously piss him off if I insisted on doing all of the driving … it seems like a bad trade-off, but in a way an accident would have been better than my making a thing about the driving.) I only lost my temper with him once, after the umpteenth time that he didn’t notice a stop sign and he almost almost hit a truck that had the right of way. He also tended to sight-see while driving, which resulted in the car drifting into the next lane, slowing down on the highway for no apparent reason, etc. I’ve ridden with him before, but never for a long time and never in a place he’s not familiar with … I will not be getting into a car with him again any time soon.

BUT, aside from the driving (which was a pretty significant stressor), everything was good. We got along fine, agreed on what to see and when to go where, where to eat was never an issue, etc. In that regard, I’m kind of happy to know that we can actually get along for 6 days of nearly 24/7 togetherness.

In conclusion (finally ;)), San Francisco and Monterey are definitely both cities that I’d be happy to go back to someday. But maybe in summer next time. <grin>

So glad you had a nice time on our side of the country! Sorry it wasn’t warmer, had you made it several days prior, you would have seen some nice warm temperatures. I actually considered some shorts about two weeks ago. We’ve been hit with a record-breaking cold spell recently.

Am a bit dismayed though that the suggestions of the Winchester House weren’t considered. It is truly an amazing piece of eccentricity and VERY interesting. I’ve been there at least three times and if you leave several years between trips, it continues to be interesting. I’ll probably go again in a few years. Also has very elaborate and beautiful grounds. With a nice eerie feeling all around. You would’a loved it. Make it a “must do” if you make it around again. Leave Dad at home if you have to!

I don’t know if I’ve ever been to Pier 41. Pier 39 is the usual crowd drawing pier, lots of yummies and cool shops.

Interesting is in the eye of the beholder. :wink: My level of interest in it is such that I’d happily go if someone else really wanted to, or if I was going to be in the area with lots of time to kill, but it’s not something I’d go out of my way to see.

I think the only thing at Pier 41 was the Alcatraz ferry – everything else was at other piers, including lots of stuff at Pier 39 (as you mention). There was a classic car show at Pier 35 that we were interested in, but by the time we got back from Alcatraz it was mostly over.

We just got back from our most recent visit. Take a Grey Line bus up to wine country - either the wine train or a visit to Copia (see website, tickets at the Wharf). Have a canoli at the Stella bakery in Little Italy, or a sandwich at Molinari’s across the street.