Good.
:rolleyes: Look at my post that you yourself just quoted and notice that I used the pretty important qualifier “ILLEGAL” to describe the type of destruction or damage that I don’t see anybody recommending.
And as JohnM pointed out, your own irrelevant qualifier “random” isn’t even applicable here. Nobody’s advocating destroying or removing monuments at random. They are suggesting that monuments should be destroyed or removed for very specific reasons: namely, if said monuments were erected specifically for the purpose of glorifying a treasonous rebellion undertaken to avoid the legal abolition of white-supremacist enslavement of African-Americans.
So what? Would your county not have been a good area to live if it had happened to be named after someone else?
Why should “it” stop? Why do you consider it such an affront or threat to have anybody even suggesting that some currently official designation should perhaps be changed?
I shudder to think how traumatizing it must have been for you when the astronomers decided to demote Pluto from being a planet.
Sure, you can make a defensible argument to the effect that the name Johnson County is no longer associated in the popular mind with slavery, if it ever was, and therefore there would be no real point in going to the trouble and expense of an official name change. But other people can make defensible arguments for the opposite position. And if there happen to be more voters who agree with them than with you, they might get their way.
I repeat: So what? Why shouldn’t official names change sometimes due to shifts in popular opinion?
Get used to it, for “they” are not willing to be second class citizens any more. It’s a great pity that you are so attached to a slave trader. Why are you so heavily invested in racist touchstones? Racism is bad, whether or not you like it or not.
Hmmm, I wonder why White people moved to Johnson County? To get away from Black people? Well colour me surprised.
Post 417 has already been addressed. There is nothing in the slightest concerning random destruction, just a very sound and cost effective plan to destroy the Klu Klux Klan. The only thing stopping it is getting the permits, but obviously that will not be willing to let that happening until racism loosens its vile hold on Southern culture.
Post 402 is anything but random destruction. I trust that you have never worked in a mine, for I can assure you that blasting a rock face is very carefully planned and executed. Nor is there anything random about melting down racist statutes – if they are racist, melt them down and if they are not racist do not melt them down. Here’s a hint: if the statute is of a secessionist or someone who was in the secessionists’ army, then it is a racist statue because the secessionists started the war in order to preserve black slavery, which is about as racist as it gets.
So? Why should it stop?
I live in Armstrong County, near the small town of Apollo, Pennsylvania. I like where I live, but if I discovered that any of those names were meant to recognize horrible people, I’d be onboard to eliminate that recognition.
After they’re done with that, they can move on to J.C. Nichols, the godfather of redlining.
Close to a million men were in the secessionists’ army; a great many of whom were drafted. So this is a much too broad criteria. Thus is should only be those in a leadership position.
They were fighting for a morally despicable cause, just like Wehrmacht soldiers in the 40s. There’s absolutely no reason to honor them, much less memorialize them with statues. And there’s plenty of reason not too – most chiefly that what they were fighting for was so morally repugnant that we must abstain from honoring or memorializing any part of it. If you believe there shouldn’t be any statues for Nazi soldiers, then it logically follows that there shouldn’t be any statues for Confederate soldiers.
O.K.
Nobody is advocating random destruction.
People do a great deal more in life than fighting in wars. I expect many of these Confederate veterans became doctors, scientists, philanthropists, businessmen, explorers,… and had monuments built to honor these contributions.
And some founded the Ku Klux Klan and have racist statues. You really want to go here?
The Confederacy and the Rebellion deserve nothing less than Damnatio memoriae. A memorial to southern dead from the war memorializing nobody in particular is fine. Nothing else, and certainly not elevating famous traitors.
I’d certainly be willing to consider such case-by-case. Some people who fought for despicable causes later turned around and did great things.
This thread is nearly 500 replies long. Has anyone said the monuments should be melted down and cast into public urinals yet?
I feel that my thoughtful proposal in post #416 about strategic latrine placement above the Confederate Monument on Stone Mountain captured the spirit of your suggestion there.
However, I’d like to propose a refinement of my earlier idea about how to clean the resulting accumulated shit off the monument: Anybody who enters the park with any kind of Confederate memorabilia or insignia gets placed into that day’s shit-scrubbing lottery. If your ticket number is the one picked out of the hat, then cleaning up that shit is your job.
I’m guessing most Trump voters would find that to be an honor.
Obviously he wasn’t obscure at the time, since they went and named the county after him and all. But certainly obscure today.
nm–wrong thread
Never mind, replying to the post above that was deleted.
Now they want to tear down the Washington and Jefferson monuments in DC.
This has gone overseas where they are looking at removing the statue the Baden Powell, the man who started Scouting, for “temporary” safekeeping because people have threatened to destroy it.
Now the crazies are being applauded for tearing down statues to Columbus.
Again, we are giving license for every jackass with a grievance to go around tearing down every statue and monument to whomever they dont like.
But dont you get it? They wont stop. You are encouraging them to tear down statues of confederates but then its statues to the leader of the Boy Scouts, to Columbus, to George Washington, … All because as you say, “we dont have statues to Hitler” so a statue to Baden Powell and Columbus is the same as a statue to Hitler?
I mean their are few people of the past who’s actions would survive the morals and values of the 21rst century.
What SHOULD be done is they should put a plaque at the statue talking about their good and bad points so people can be EDUCATED.
Now they have defaced a statue to Matthias Baldwin, an abolitionist.
Now tell me this hasnt gotten out of control.