“Every other nation with UHC does better for less money. That’s a fact”
I’ve already called you out for exaggerations several times tonight, and you’ve been kind enough to correct them. You want to fix this one, too?
Then you shouldn’t have brought it up. You asked about my views towards accepting the opinions of experts like brain surgeons and such or whether I did my own research and I answered you. If you don’t want to know, don’t ask.
I kind of knew that you weren’t interested in what conservatives but rather were focussed on making fun of what conservatives think. I don’t think that’s a particularly admirable or intelligent stance, and I don’t think your responses have been particularly thoughtful or accurate.
You’ve done a lot to strengthen my viewpoints and disdain of popular liberalism these days. Thanks.
You bring in a cite about how liberals are full of shit about global warming. Turns out, your cite is full of shit. Naturally, this reinforces your appraisal of liberals being full of shit.
We at the Mother’s March Against Cognitive Dissonance haven’t yet picked our 2011 poster child. Have you a recent photo available?
You’re honestly so stupid you don’t understand the distinction. You’re a layman. And most likely not even very good at your actual job, you don’t know enough to make a judgement about AGW, that you shopped around for a knee procedure makes not a whiff of difference in this.
I’m not interested in your ignorant opinions. I’m interested in what most conservatives believe that isn’t based on fact. You know, like you believe AGW is fake or something because you are gullible enough to buy into the anti-GW crowd’s arguments.
I’m sure I have, because you most likely haven’t had a genuine thought in years. You just search for things to buttress your pre-conceived bullshit and wrap yourself in it. Pathetic.
Loathe as I may be to interrupt this, the six-million, eight-hundred-and seventy-nine-thousand, six-hundred-and seventy-second time that Lobohan has seen fit to call an adversary an idiot, a moron, stupid, or any comination thereof in a quarter as many posts, I would like to direct the gentle reader’s attention to this post, in which I offer a mea culpa of sorts, given that I made an error of oversight in my initial reading of the story. One hates to have to admit things like this, but as I’ve often said when coming from the other side of the aisle, things are what they are. And what they are in this case is that I made a mistake. Still, as I think you’ll see in the paragraph that follows this noble admission of error, the overriding objection still stands.
My impression is that since the update of the quoted article in that OP says that:
Not even your overriding objection stands. Sarah Palin was not right, and no: this was not a “death panel” death sentence. As many pointed out, if everything had been controlled by private hands she would had been told to fly a kite; as it turns out, because there is a public component to this, lawmakers intervened so she is going to get treatment. When private insurers where told that they should stop doing rescissions unless clear evidence of fraud was involved, they told even lawmakers to go fly a kite, back then even Republicans were appalled by what the insurance companies were doing, but not so appalled when they still voted to try to maintain that sick status quo.
As she would have as well had her plight not made the news. One can only wonder how many people die or otherwise get refused badly needed treatment over snafus like this which nobody ever hears about.
With regard to insurance companies, they aren’t nearly as bad as UHC proponents claim. Sure, out of the hundreds of millions of claims that get filed every year, it’s possible to find examples of egregious behavior. Still, if they were all that bad you wouldn’t see so many doctors and hospitals (apart from stopgap emergency treatment) refusing to treat patients who don’t have insurance.
First of all, as someone who has studied statistics AND logic for my degrees, I believe that I AM qualified to view some of the results with a critical eye. Also, I never said I doubted GW or even AGW. I merely pointed out that those who are skeptical are automatically discounted. Also, many who believe in GW state that ALL scientist agree on GW when in fact many scientists don’t.
I don’t know what you’re getting at. If you mean that doctors and hospitals in countries with UHC can’t turn people away, that pretty much goes without saying doesn’t it? If you mean that in countries with UHC there are no egregious occurances, I’ll have to reserve belief on that one.
If your final comment is meant to refer to insurance company intransigence in the face of congressional hearings, then my response would be to pass laws and legislate their behavior so as not to allow them to operate fraudulently, just as we do with other types of businesses. Then if they don’t cooperate, shut 'em down and make their executives subject to jail terms. I can’t believe that you seem to think that Congress is powerless to deal with intransigent insurance companies.
But that hearing was one of the reasons why democrats did the right thing and voted to make rescissions with no good cause illegal (are you so out of it that you are ignoring that that was one of the points of the reforms just passed?).
Many conservatives were and remain in the pockets of those executives or continue to believe in stupid shit to continue opposing the reforms.
So your answer then is yes, Congress is powerless to control insurance companies due to their vast financial resources?
Then how come it just passed a bill that not only imposes all kinds of new responsibilities and obligations upon insurance companies while at the same time cramming that same bill down the thoats of an electorate that for one reason or another disapproved of it by margin of 65% to 35%?
It looks to me like Congress doesn’t much care about repercussions from either the insurance companies OR the electorate, as its current approval rating hovering just above single digits clearly shows.
