First of all, you are supposed to be a serious magazine. Why in the hell are you sinking to the crap-fluff level of running studies like these, let the dumb magzines do this.
Second of all you are supposed to be a business magazine. So why don’t you have a clue what is going on? Abundant jobs in Denver? Where in the fuck are they? You must be looking at 5 year old data, because there are no jobs. I know 12 people with college degrees who have been out of work for 2 years+. I have had 5 good friends leave town in addition to move back home to start paying off debts. I personally know at least 50 people unemployed or seriously under employed. A friend who manages a restaraunt put an add for a waitress in the paper about 2 months ago and recieved 650 applications, several from PHDs looking to survive. Will everybody stop fucking telling people ‘there are lots of jobs for young college educated people in Denver’ because there fucking arn’t. I have my own long term unemployment problems to deal with, and I still keep getting depressed seeing bright-eyed graduates have their soul crushed when they show up here and realize they can’t even get a job a taco bell.
They are right that we have an active bar scene. About 20% of the population goes out to drink away their sorrows every night. And there are lots of young educated people to date, because they don’t have a pesky job taking up their time and energy.
Ancillary rant. Will every idiot high-school guidance councilor, and college career advisor stop telling people to go into Computer science. There are far more edjucated people then there are jobs as it is already. Many of them are now non-people because they have long since exhausted UI, but still actively hope to get into the field. But I still keeping running into CS majors who think their life will be a well-payed confortable breeze, with companies falling over each other to give them a job.
One other rant that has been done too many times by too many people. Hey asshole, after I took the time to take three phone interviews, two on site interviews, and a 5 page essay on my qualifications, how fucking hard is it to send me one email saying I didn’t get the job.
Why not enourage and nurture entrepreneurship? Give significant tax breaks to investment capitalists and release start-up businesses from the suffocation caused by OSHA and DOT. Jobs are created by investment capital and entrepreneurship. Keep the economic river flowing. Only stink and pests come out of stagnant water.
Agreed! I couldn’t believe this article. And a low cost of living for singles? Give me a fucking break! I have friends in many states that could have a luxury 2 bedroom apartment for what I am paying for my tiny 1 bedroom. WTF?
Maybe they’re telling people to get into CS because the Bureau of Labor Statistics and other organizations see a rising and continuous demand for people in careers that require a CS degree (programming, system administration, etc.)
There’s definately work out there for people with a CS degree (hell, there’s so much work that you see plenty of people without a CS degree working in the field)…
I think the resource that limits start-ups more then a lack of capital is a lack of business plans that aren’t already well-covered by one or two very large corporations that can do the job way more efficiently then a start-up ever could.
Dammit, is it really as bad as that? Between reading this and having people tell me not to waste my time since all the CS jobs are being moved out of country, it’s getting a bit disheartening.
/Gets his jobless ass, who was finally thinking he’d decided on a major, up to go search the internet for ideas on a new one.
I should add that if you’ve chosen CS as a major primarily because of the prospect of easy-to-get, high-paying jobs, by all means pick another major. Pretty please.
Well, at least it isn’t as hopeless as all my friends and family were making it out to be. :dubious:
Nope, heh. Thinking of choosing it since it seems to be the only thing I’m almost moderately decent at and also enjoy. (At least I did when I took it in High School.)
Was originally thinking of being a history major, but then I realized I’d only be able to teach with a degree in that, and I don’t think I could hold back and not strangle some of the jerks I’d have as students, so I’m changing that to my minor.
I got booted from IBM. Had lots of trouble getting unemployment because the numbers showed thousands of jobs. There was lots of work replacing heads on disk drives and adjusting hydrolic systems in 1403s.
Well job growth really isn’t very indicative of the prospects of getting a job.
For example(number reduced for simplicity, and pulled out of my ass for explanation purposes):
There are 3,000 current jobs in X_job. There are currently 4,500 professionals qualified in X_job , with 200 new qualified applicants graduating every year. Job_X has 10% growth a year.
year 1. 3000 Jobs 4500 qualified
year 2. 3300 jobs 4700 qualified
year 3. 3600 jobs 4900 qualified
year 4.
Well my example will have to be lost in the ether, cause I’m not going to do it again, but my basic point is that Job growth really doesn’t apply to getting a job.
Hard numbers of how many jobs, versus how many unemployed, plus expected job growth versus newly qualified job seekers each year, only can really tell the story of what the true market is like for job seekers in the profession.
Don’t worry about the Hijack, Darkprince. Honestly, hijack as much as you want. I admit I am very dissolustioned about the CS field, and probably am not entirely objective. But I will give the very honest truth I would never go into this field if I had the choice to do over again with hindsight. Do some hard looking for yourself, don’t listen to idiots like me on a message board. But don’t assume your teachers and profs know what their talking about either. Take a look at all job sites, and talk to as many corporate people as you can, try to judge what the job prospects are for someone with no experience in the computer field, before blindly continuing on with it, and getting shat out into the real world.
And take a look at the BLS numbers for yourself. The subsection Metacom quoted is for Systems analysists, DBAs and true computer scientists, which is not the majority of computer jobs. Most IT workers fall into computer programmers and technitions which have less rosy outlooks.
I didn’t say it was a lack of capital. I said it was the heavy thumb of government bureaucracy. It used to be that you could make a fortune by buying a used ferry boat or selling pots and pans from the trunk of your car. Now, you need a battery of lawyers and accountants to start a business. I know this because I did it. Investment capitalists should be free to invest, but right now a big chunk of their investment goes straight into the black hole of government payoffs in the form of fees, licenses, taxes, and compliance costs.
Hmm…you think it’s bad in Denver? Pittsburgh has ended up dead last in the last 3 years, so in addition to a lack of jobs, we don’t even have “the scene” to drown our sorrows in!!!
As you can imagine, the yearly Forbes list gives the “Yinzer brigade” a chance to get outraged and editorials to the pleasures of Pittsburgh (from middle-aged, married men, of course)…can’t wait to see what comes out this year!
While I agree with the too-many-CS-majors centiment in the OP, the rest of it just sounds like you’re whining.
I understand that you’re looking at your city from a glass is half empty standpoint. You feel shit on because you don’t have a job, but that doesn’t mean Denver is a shitty city.
There’s going to be someone in any city that gets listed as the best that cries Bullshit! This is even evidenced by Forbes when they write about how many complaints they got for saying Austin was the best city for [X - can’t remember.]
