What the fuck is happening here lately?

I’ll admit, I haven’t been the most prolific poster in the 7 years that I’ve been hanging around. I haven’t participated in many of the games that populate MPSIMS, the intense debates in GD, or the massive meltdowns in the Pit.
I began posting here because I enjoyed the atmosphere. The people were intelligent, witty, sometimes outright insane, and the riff raff was typically run off in the downpour of criticism that resulted when the social norms were violated. The administration and moderation was even-handed, and better yet, it was rare.
Warnings were well placed and bannings were almost unheard of. When they did happen, it was typically socks or newbies who came to start shit.
I’d encouraged several of my friends to start stopping by because I thought they would enjoy the place. Even given my general wallflower-ness, I felt very comfortable here.

Gradually, and unbeknownst to many of us, the atmosphere began to change around here. It was around the time we went pay-to-post, and many of our long standing members left. It was obviously not purely for financial reasons, but I don’t think anyone who’s been paying attention would argue that we didn’t lose a great deal of the value of our membership here.

The board slowed down. New threads were rare, redundant, uninteresting. Many threads were closed when it seemed that their intended purpose had been outlived by the silliness that they were being overtaken by. Nevermind that many of the most entertaining threads came about spontaneously when they were allowed to do just that, devolve into silliness.

A lot of big posters were banned. The reasons for their bannings were addressed by the administration, and many people agreed, and many disagreed. But the truth of the matter is that you can’t create an exclusive club that discourages new membership (by paying) and a feeling of overmoderation and not stagnate the intellectual value of this place.
So we’re back to free posting, and in just a week’s time we’ve seen the influx of old posters returning to a place that probably isn’t what they remember it to be.

Now we have the banning of another long-term member, and are essentially being told not to push our luck right now or we could be next. This is evidently “not the time” to be asking the questions. And, if we’re unhappy, we can find another place to go if it’s so bad here.

Regardless of your opinions of the individuals in question, if you keep chopping off the outliers, all you will end up with is an extremely stagnant and boring middle ground. The cacophony of posters that suggest those who disagree should “get over it or leave” is a predictable outcome to any criticism here, and frankly it’s a ridiculous proposition. You don’t criticize something if you aren’t concerned for its survival. If it really is that bad, then yes, you leave. But if you think it could be better than what it is now, you say so.

This is not the same place it was even a couple years ago. It’s not the same place it could have been if different decisions were made, and it’s not the same place I ever would have anticipated it being.

This is not a goodbye thread, and I am not throwing myself atop the funeral pyre. Perhaps I can’t quantify the perceptions I have, and I’m wondering if I’m the only one noticing. If I end up on the chopping block too, so be it. I just wonder if I’m the only one with this feeling lately.

Well, for myself as a poster for a similar length of time and with a similar number of posts, ladyfoxfyre has said much of what I’ve been thinking today, only ever so much more eloquently.

It seems to me that there has been a roughly eleventy zillion percent increase in activity since the upgrade and return of free posting. Just yesterday I was wondering if this was putting the Mods under a whole lot of extra pressure, trying to keep track of all the new and old members suddenly appearing. From what I’ve seen today, it looks like the answer is “No shit, Sherlock.”

I’m hoping that the next few days or weeks will see the smoke clear a little bit and the Dope will return to a new, livelier equilibrium. Maybe even have a banning or two commuted to a suspension, or something. One can hope.

“Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.”

Move along, nothing to see here. This is not happening. Nothing is amiss. The board is working fine. Everything is fine. The Moderators are fine. I’m fine. Everything is fine.

Don’t hit me. I’m fine. I swear I’m fine. Everything is fine.

(Gotta love the google ad at the bottom for TheyBannedMe.com)

What happened? The Barn House.

Wait, you didn’t know this site is to promote the projects of blowhard-in-residence Ed Zotti? Enjoy your ban.

Nope, you are not the only one who noticed. Yes it was gradual. Some of it I think is that everyone keeps expecting the mods to be super nice, and part of what made me lurk and then stay around initially was the biting wit --from mods and posters-- that asshat remarks received as smackdowns. Everyone --mods and posters-- seem too thin skinned now.

One of the other reasons I came to stay around is the creative writing thrown into MPSIMS at random. Think about this: I still go back to read teemings magazine occasionally. Aside from stuff from posters like Sampiro and Tokyo Player, how many OPs from the past 6 months could you collect into a new teemings.

Last week though, I noticed that instead of having the typical for me 4-5 tabs open waiting to be read I had twelve. I was pleasantly surprised and hoped things would start to return to what they had been.

The whining grates on me. The short tempers grate on me. If this were happening in the smaller scale of my own house I would clang a huge spoon on the soup pot to get everyone’s attention and say:
“You. Be quiet he’s trying to work.” then
“You. I know you’re working hard, but they’ve been waiting a long time and are impatient. I understand it’s hard for you to work with all the noise, but please try to keep your temper down.”

Then I would make them sit down next to each other and think of three nice things to say about the other.

I’ll start: Mods you’re doing a heck of a job even though you’re kinda caught in the middle. I think it’s easy for people to forget that you’re readers/posters on this board too.

I’m confused too, although I’m not angry - I just don’t get why someone would love something so much that they’d come back to it after many years, but not love it enough to pay 15 dollars to access it for a year. I mean really, that’s not a huge investment of money.

Big Brother loves us. And we love Big Brother.

Personally I think too many people on these boards have become like old married couples – who hate each other, and can’t afford to move out.

They’ve heard each other’s BS before in pretty much every situation, called for or not; they make the standard, “You and yours are SO full of shit”, and it’s like the last 500 threads.

Well the board is free now and Ed Zotti just said that the posters who were banned are now only suspended. What else do you want?

The posters banned were criticizing the board upgrades anyway. Things that have no effect on the quality of discussion on the board. I agree that all criticism shouldn’t be forbidden, but Ed Zotti just told us to specifically not criticize the time it is taking for the board to upgrade. This isn’t a big issue. It isn’t a slippery slope as the administration already has the power to stop any criticism it wants.

Can we stop crying about criticism being stifled. It’s like if we can’t bitch about Jerry getting work done, this place will turn into the forum at IMDb.

The mood here has definitely changed. Not quite enough for me to leave yet, but I used to have a reverence for this place that has long since fled me. Too many people here these days just enjoy the hell out of sitting behind their anonymous screen name and being bitchy and one-upping each other with “snark”. Honest and mutually respectful debate left the building a long time ago, and when you occassionally see it it looks plastic and masturbatory. I’m a hopeless optimist, still clinging to my belief that free posting will change the mood around here for the better once the novelty wears off and we get some true newbies, not just slighted ex-members returning with their jade-colored glasses.

Because they didn’t leave out of financial hardship, they left on principle that many other message boards are run more efficiently and with fewer timeouts than this one, and without having to pay for it either. They left on the principle that the posters here were providing the content, and being asked to pay for it at the same time.

Then you must have missed the first 3/4 of my post, which talked about the gradual decline of the content over time and the possible reasons for that being the case. I was only tangentially referring to the criticisms of late, I was referring to the degradation of the quality of the board over the past several years or so that has seemingly culminated in this mess we have now. And the posters who were banned were definitely not criticizing the upgrades. At least not the ones I’m talking about. And offhand, I can’t think of anyone banned for criticizing upgrades anyway.

The new rule only applied to forums outside the Pit - theoretically, we are still allowed to piss and moan in the Pit. This is not a big change - we were always supposed to do our pissing and moaning about the board and mods in the Pit.

As for the changes around here lately, it’s been a strange couple of weeks, but for as long as I recall, there have always been people saying the same things; “The boards have changed, man.” “Yeah, I know; I miss the Good Old Days.” It’s good that things are changing on the Boards - people were whining just last month that they were too stagnant.

Am I the only one that thinks there aren’t that many new threads on the boards now that we’re free to post? It really doesn’t seem much different than in the few days before Amnesia Weekend honestly.

It just seems to me that people all over are whiny and thin-skinned and eager to argue everywhere today, not just here. I keep hoping that after this &@^## election is over maybe courtesy and civility will return to the country; am I a dreamer or what? At least maybe it will return here…

I assume you’re talking mostly about the big names that left, but I qualify based on registration date. My reason for declining to pay was that I never posted enough to justify spending money on it. If I had had to pay to read the boards, I’d have paid, but since I only made about 600 posts in the four years I was here, spending money didn’t seem necessary. Judging from some of the “Hey, who’s back?” threads I’ve read there are a lot of lurkers or semi-lurkers who reacted similarly, or who only paid for a year or two before letting their subscriptions lapse. What I missed most during the last few years was the search button.

As to the OP, I get where you’re coming from but I don’t quite agree with everything. I miss a lot of banned posters and a lot of people who left of their own volition, since they made things more interesting. As a spectator, however, it’s easy to miss even the most obnoxious people. Meanwhile, if I’d been posting in threads with many of the dearly departed I doubt I’d remember them as fondly.

No, the board isn’t like it was when a lot of us registered. But that’s inevitable. Whaddya gonna do, eh? Time passes.

Agreed. Even the most vituperative critics of board performance in the last few years have cared enough to spend hour upon hour reading and writing on this board. If they were complaining out of pure hatred they wouldn’t have wasted their time.

That said, the standard response to the “love it or leave it” crowd (“Stop fellating the admins!”) was just as predictable and just as stupid.

Nope, ain’t gonna happen.

ALLAH-HU AKBAR!!!

triggers the nuke hidden in his thong

[sup]boom[/sup]

The possible reasons I got from your post were that we went pay to post and that administration became more strict. How much more strict and in what context you never make clear. You only connect this vaguely defined strictness to big posters being banned and the quality of posting going down.

Maybe those posters deserved to get banned. Maybe the strictness didn’t actually close any entertaining threads. Maybe the connection your making between strictness and the diminished quality of the board is all in your head.

A few people were banned for criticizing the administration after they were told not to get critical after there was too much criticism of the upgrades. There you go.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

ladyfoxfyre
I agree totally with your posting.
I haven’t been here too much lately, but recently it seems things have gone completely whacky.
We can’t complain about the Board / Server / Etch - A Sketch ™?

How about a thread from a mere 1½ years ago?

I’m not complaining. I’m just referencing a source about complaining.

See? Why is everybody unhappy? Don’t you like the “improvement” the Board has undergone in a mere 1½ years? :slight_smile:
Well far be it from me to get banned so I might as well stop this posting right now.

lady, I’m mostly with you on this, but with the recent change and some of the old posters returning, I’m hoping for new life on the board.

Kind of agree. Seems less funny, though improved in the last couple of weeks.

Of course, it is high political season, and that always seems to lose the funny for a while, but maybe not.