You may be in complete denial about the many problems with the american electoral system, but I’m not, and arguments that ignore them are unpersuasive to me.
Plus I don’t think that the “wait until he’s gone and maybe then next guy will be better” argument is that persuasive to people who are angry about systemic problems that have been going on since long before Trump’s election.
Man with nothing continues to rely on substanceless attacks, film at eleven.
Well, the point of a democracy is to figure out who is doing better about dealing with the point of the peaceful protests. Or, if they are ignoring it and making things worse.
(A video timeline of the crackdown on protesters by the police before Trump’s asinine photo op)Vote them out and reform the police.
OK. Educate me: what is an ad homenem argument ?
Educate me why I should follow you down this irrelevant tangent? Your fallacious dismissal of his solid argument won’t get any more correct, even if you somehow convince me that your pedantry in your erroneousness is admirable.
OK. Let me educate you then. Calling something a delusional rant is not an ad hominem attack.
**This **is an ad hominem attack and a rather foolish one.
Good god, are we really doing this? Fine. One more post about this idiotic bullshit tangent.
“Man with nothing” is a statement about the arguments you’ve brought. That’s the nothing. Your arguments on this subject, collectively. It’s a statement about the quality of your collective argumentation.
It is no more an ad hominem than your “delusional rant” crack - in fact the primary difference is that your assertion(s) regarding his post being “delusional” and a “rant” were wrong.
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Enough.
Everyone that tangent is over. This thread is on zero tolerance for any further nonsense of any kind. Best behavior only.
Actually, his point is even worse than that, because he actually knows what the problem is, but is completely oblivious to it.
Yes, it requires votes in the Senate. But almost no votes are even taking place, because Moscow Mitch has unilaterally decided that he simply won’t schedule any votes on hundreds of pieces of legislation, period. That’s not something the “American people” voted for. It is one man hijacking the rules of procedure to advance his own agenda at the expense of the American people.
For someone who claims to care about the “fundamental principles of liberal democracy” to ignore one of the most tyrannical people the Senate has ever seen is…odd.
Sorry, cross-posted.
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FWIW, a report from Seattle a FB friend posted this morning.
And you know otherwise, how?
I wonder, dont the people doing this have jobs, families, or other responsibilities? I mean are they telling their boss “sorry, I need time off to man a barricade” or something like that?
Also who will now be willing to open a business down there when you really dont know when this will happen again?
I live in the area, and have colleagues that live in CHAZ.
It’s pretty much a party and not a Maoist “soviet” autonomous region.
Employers here are pretty supportive actually.
But feel free to suck at the teat of right wing media propoganda.
My daughters go after work every day. Its nothing like what you’re imagining from right wing media.
If Fox News thinks this is some sort of terrorist occupation, just wait until someone tells them about Burning Man.
Speaking of the teat of right-wing media: Fox News runs digitally altered images in coverage of Seattle’s protests, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Reporting by The Seattle Times.
I live very close to (though not in) CHAZ.
The media reports are overblown. It was definitely quieter and calmer now that the police are not escalating the violence and attacking citizens every night.
As far as the police reports about response times - they’ve been caught being less than truthful quite frequently for the past few weeks. There are two other precincts within walking distance of the one in question (you could do a loop of all three of them in under an hour). This isn’t a rural area where the next closest police station is 20 miles away. I find it questionable that response times have gone up as much as they’re claiming.
FWIW - this is the same neighborhood that Bloomberg was/is profiling in a series about how the coronavirus closures were affecting neighborhoods. It’ll be interesting to see what their next update looks like.
Ok, educate us. Your right I have heard 2 extremes, so the truth should be somewhere in the middle.
If I wanted to go to a restaurant down there, would they allow my through?
Are cars allowed?
Are they checking ID of people going in or out?
Are they allowing all news media in to take pictures and not just CNN?
Have been businesses like coffee shops been forced to give out free product?
Why does the truth have to be somewhere in the middle? Is that like some law? Is the truth somewhere in the middle between flat earthers and everyone else? Is it somewhere in the middle between Holocaust Denial and historians?
In this thread, you have people who have been there or know someone who has, and they say it’s basically a chill party. On the other hand, you have Fox News photoshopping pictures so that it looks like a terrorist insurgency. Hmmm, I wonder where the truth lies…
The police have already been caught in a lie about protection rackets. Let me see, who do I trust more…