The timeline is confusing, but it looks to me like Adam and the Garden of Eden were created separately and then Adam was put into Eden “to work it and take care of it.”
I do not think it’s safe to assume that the Garden of Eden was created specifically for Adam or that everything in it was put there specifically with him in mind.
Which of course neglects the man and woman that jehovallah created in his own image in Genesis 1:26~28. Those two were never heard from again.
In all the interpretations I’ve read, or had read to me, the second narrative of Genesis is a more detailed recounting of the first narrative. Meaning they are one and the same between Chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
~Max
Exactly, 2:15 was when Adam was put there. I guess Adam was around before the tree, who knows where, just kind of playing in the dirt I guess. But God put Adam in the garden after the tree was already there.
The timeline is confusing. In Genesis 1:27, it says, “So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.” But then the scripture says in 2:18, “Then the LORD God said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.’” And He creates Eve in 2:22. So I don’t know if Chapter 1 is foreshadowing what is going to come later, or there was a retcon, or maybe there were other men and women aside from Adam and Eve outside of the Garden of Eden…?
That is probably the easiest way to reconcile it, yeah.
Good point, that’s hearsay on Eve’s part. That might not have been an actual commandment.
(Just FYI, for simplicity I was using the version of the Bible that the Vatican is hosting, all of Genesis on one page here.)
And what would have happened had Eve eaten it and Adam didn’t? Or vice versa?
The subtext of the narrative is that man was just fine until the woman came along and beguiled him into the downfall. The behavior of the judeochrislamic rabreachullahs over time clearly bears this out.
Then maybe Lilith would come back to console him.
I agree it was used as a test (free will to obey God or not) but I speculate it also had another purpose. If they had continued to refuse to eat it my guess is God would have eventually given it to them anyway. Then they would have known right and wrong like God and remained in paradise.
I’ve eaten apples, and I’ve eaten pomegranates, and a bunch of other fruits, and none of them has ever imparted any sort of metaphysical knowledge on me. Clearly, the Forbidden Fruit wasn’t an apple or a pomegranate or whatever; it was a Tree-of-Knowledge-Fruit. That species is now presumably extinct, or (at best) extant only in an extremely small and inaccessible-to-humans range.
I thought the whole point was that you’ve already got whatever Adam and Eve got from it?
I ask that we not turn this into a general discussion about God’s and/or Jesus’ plans, please.
Ok, you’re right, I’ll drop the hijack. It’s a futile endeavor to apply logic when debating theology with kanicbird anyway.
Arghh!
Talk about hijacking a thread. Let me sort this crap out.
It may or may not be a warning for Kanicbird and absolutely a thread ban!
I will probably move all of his posts out and replies.
@Kanicbird, you are not allowed to post further in this thread.
Somehow, an on topic post of mine got moved with the hijack posts to another thread, but I still thinks it better fits in this thread. So I hope that I’m allowed to crosspost it here:
It is kind of a paradox. Adam and Eve lack the “knowledge of good and evil”, so how can they understand that eating the fruit of tha tree is wrong if they cannot comprehend what “wrong” means? The notion of “original sin” collapses in upon itself.
On top of that, the story sends a bad message, that going for knowledge is evil.
Clearly it’s wrong because God says so. They lacked the ability to know good and evil outside of what God told them directly.
In theory, God could have taught them good and evil, but the fruit downloaded it into their brains Matrix style.
But how could they assess who was the greater authority, God or the snake? Did God warn them of the snake or told them that everything He told them was the moral truth? Genesis is silent about that.