What waves in a double slit experiment is the "hidden subquantic medium"

Wave-particle duality is a moving particle and it’s associated wave.

“While the founding fathers agonized over the question ‘particle’ or ‘wave’, de Broglie in 1925 proposed the obvious answer ‘particle’ and ‘wave’. Is it not clear from the smallness of the scintillation on the screen that we have to do with a particle? And is it not clear, from the diffraction and interference patterns, that the motion of the particle is directed by a wave? De Broglie showed in detail how the motion of a particle, passing through just one of two holes in screen, could be influenced by waves propagating through both holes. And so influenced that the particle does not go where the waves cancel out, but is attracted to where they cooperate. This idea seems to me so natural and simple, to resolve the wave-particle dilemma in such a clear and ordinary way, that it is a great mystery to me that it was so generally ignored.” - John Bell

In the following articles Louis de Broglie describes wave-particle duality as a moving particle and it’s associated wave in a hidden subquantic medium.

‘Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE’
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classi

*“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his “Theory of light quanta”. I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium”*

“For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant, forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity.”

“the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave”

NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS A CAUSAL INTERPRETATION by LOUIS DE BROGLIE

“Since 1954, when this passage was written, I have come to support wholeheartedly an hypothesis proposed by Bohm and Vigier. According to this hypothesis, the random perturbations to which the particle would be constantly subjected, and which would have the probability of presence in terms of [the wave-function wave], arise from the interaction of the particle with a “subquantic medium” which escapes our observation and is entirely chaotic, and which is everywhere present in what we call “empty space”.”

The wave of wave-particle duality is a wave in the hidden subquantic medium.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the hidden subquantic medium passes through both. As the wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave guiding the particle. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit destroys the cohesion between the particle and its associated wave in the hidden subquantic medium, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and does not form an interference pattern.

The notion of dark matter that travels with the matter is incorrect. The space unoccupied by particles of matter has mass and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through.

"If a hidden sub-quantum medium is assumed, knowledge of its nature would seem desirable. It certainly is of quite complex character. It could not serve as a universal reference medium, as this would be contrary to relativity theory." - Louis de Broglie

The nature of the hidden sub-quantum medium is the mass which fills the space unoccupied by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through and it and is what waves in a double slit experiment.

The hidden sub-quantum medium is the mass which fills the space unoccupied by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and is what waves in a double slit experiment.

Speaking of the double slit experiment and de Broglie, I have a related question about the theories of de Broglie’s student Costa de Beauregard.

I can see (at least vaguely :stuck_out_tongue: ) how Beauregard’s theory gives a new interpretation of the EPR paradox. But how does it explain the double slit experiment?

The so-called ‘delayed choice quantum eraser’ experiment is not correctly explained by retrocausality.

What’s occurring in the experiment is there are waves traveling both the red and blue paths in the following image.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg

There are two interference patterns being created at D0 regardless of what else occurs in the experiment. Thw two interference patterns combine to form a bell curve. The BBO crystal creates a downconverted photon pair. Let’s call one of the photons the ‘up’ photon and one of the photons the ‘down’ photon. The ‘up’ photon is creating an interference pattern at D0 and the ‘down’ photon is creating an interference pattern at D0. It is the idler’s interaction with the second beam splitter which causes one set of photons to wind up at D1 and the other at D2. This allows each of the interference patterns to be discerned at D0.

In the following modified experiment, if the results are as I predict, it is evidence nothing is erased in a so called, “delayed choice quantum eraser” experiment.

There are waves propagating both red and blue lines toward D0. The Lens causes the waves to create wave interference prior to the particle being detected at D0. After interacting with the BBO crystal let’s call one of the downconverted photons the ‘up’ photon and the other the ‘down’ photon. There are two interference patterns being generated at D0 regardless of what else occurs in the experiment, one associated with the ‘up’ photons and one associated with the ‘down’ photons.

It is the idler’s interaction with the second beam splitter which causes ‘up’ photons to arrive at certain detectors and ‘down’ photons at the other. A combination of Dac1 and (Dbc1 or Dbc2) will allow for an interference pattern to be discerned at D0. A combination of Dac2 and (Dbc1 or Dbc2) will allow for the other interference pattern at D0 to be discerned.

The which-way of the idler photon will be known and the two interference patterns at D0 will still be discerned.

Is this Physics Witnessing?

In order for there to be conservation of momentum, downconverted photon pairs are created with opposite angular momentums.

Each of the pair can determine the position and momentum of the other based upon their own position and momentum.

Entanglement is each of the pair being able to determine the position and momentum of the other.

Entanglement is each of the pair being able to determine the state of the other.

In terms of a ‘hidden-variable theory’, de Broglie’s double solution theory is non-local in that each of the pair can determine the state of the other.

It is more correct to describe de Broglie’s double solution theory as an exposed variable theory as the state of each of the pair is knowable to the other.

I recommend you watch all of the following video. The notion of an exposed variable theory is at the 2:08 mark.

What are you referring to? The notion of an observer in a double slit experiment?

If that is what you are referring to then the notion of detection is more correct than the notion of an observer.

When you detect the particle in a double slit experiment you are physically interacting with the experiment.

Think of a boat double slit experiment. If you place pilings at the exits to the slits in order to detect the boat the boat is going to get knocked around by the pilings and lose its cohesion with its bow wave. After interacting with the pilings it will take some time for the boat to regain its cohesion with its bow wave.

That is what is occurring in a double slit experiment when the particle is detected. It loses its cohesion with its associated wave, it takes some time before the particle regains its cohesion with its bow wave.

Think of the particle in wave-particle duality as being both boat and surfer simultaneously. The boat creates a bow wave. The surfer rides the wave. Both are occurring simultaneously. In wave particle duality the particle is guided by the wave it creates in a hidden subquantic medium. In order for the surfer to ride the wave they need to be in cohesion with it. If you detect the boat/surfer by placing a bunch of pilings in its path the boat/surfer will lose its cohesion with its bow wave.

I recommend watching all of the following video. The part having to do with the double slit experiment begins at the 2:44 mark.

More importantly, what physics term sounds more perverted: double slit experiment or stimulated emission? I suppose one leads to the other.

Don’t forget the hairy ball theorem.

“Witnessing” here refers to practice of believers (especially Christians) whereby they profess their faith and testify to their personal revelation or experience with God. Proselytizing, essentially.

For the record, I have really very little idea what you’re trying to convince us of. Thesis statement!

Wave-particle duality is a moving particle and its associated wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle is always detected traveling through a single slit because it always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which passes through both.

Praise the Lord!

Or, correctly understand what occurs physically in nature.

NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS A CAUSAL INTERPRETATION by LOUIS DE BROGLIE

“Since 1954, when this passage was written, I have come to support wholeheartedly an hypothesis proposed by Bohm and Vigier. According to this hypothesis, the random perturbations to which the particle would be constantly subjected, and which would have the probability of presence in terms of [the wave-function wave], arise from the interaction of the particle with a “subquantic medium” which escapes our observation and is entirely chaotic, and which is everywhere present in what we call “empty space”.”

The “subquantic medium” is the aether.

`Fluid mechanics suggests alternative to quantum orthodoxy’

“The fluidic pilot-wave system is also chaotic. It’s impossible to measure a bouncing droplet’s position accurately enough to predict its trajectory very far into the future. But in a recent series of papers, Bush, MIT professor of applied mathematics Ruben Rosales, and graduate students Anand Oza and Dan Harris applied their pilot-wave theory to show how chaotic pilot-wave dynamics leads to the quantumlike statistics observed in their experiments.”

A ªfluidic pilot-wave systemº is the aether.

`When Fluid Dynamics Mimic Quantum Mechanics’

“If you have a system that is deterministic and is what we call in the business `chaotic,’ or sensitive to initial conditions, sensitive to perturbations, then it can behave probabilistically,º Milewski continues. ªExperiments like this weren’t available to the giants of quantum mechanics. They also didn’t know anything about chaos. Suppose these guys Ð who were puzzled by why the world behaves in this strange probabilistic way Ð actually had access to experiments like this and had the knowledge of chaos, would they have come up with an equivalent, deterministic theory of quantum mechanics, which is not the current one? That’s what I find exciting from the quantum perspective.”

What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether.

Do you have a “Plan B”, since “aether” doesn’t exist?

The notion of dark matter traveling along with the matter is incorrect.

The space unoccupied by particles of matter has mass, is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and is what waves in a double slit experiment.

Label it whatever you want.

de Broglie used the term “hidden subquantic medium”.

No-I believe the question is: Why do you insist on labeling it “aether”?

Cool, another discussion of hidden variables in quantum mechanics that’s just a series of quote dumps and links without any experimental or theoretical support. I’ve never seen that before on the Internet. The best way of doing science is stating rambling assertions without any detail or rigor or predictions or math or experiments or evidence, and the best way of making those assertions is by posting them anonymously on general-interest message boards. Excelsior!

The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through.

The aether is not an absolutely stationary space
The aether is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

There is evidence of the hidden subquantic medium every time a double slit experiment is performed, it’s what waves.

Yes there is, but you can only create it with sufficient quantities of phlogiston.

*“The word ‘ether’ has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. […] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with ‘stuff’ that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo.” - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
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Matter, a piece of window glass and stuff have mass and so does the aether.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether that waves.