Just because you can tell people what to do in certain circumstances, doesn’t mean it would be hypocritical to not tolerate the opposite. I work in a cube farm and I get annoyed when my neighbors are loud even though I am not 100% silent, although I am quieter than average. What would be better is if we had our own offices so no one would disrupt anyone by talking.
True, but it is pretty stupid for one to complain that you are being bossed about when you set the rules.
Anyway, the Brexit dream is dead. It is not sleeping, it is not pining for the fjords.
Of course its ghost lingers on - we might still leave the EU, and we can all agree that it probably won’t be quite as bad as the Blitz. But the original Brexit is no more. The Brexit where Europe is just a place for a gentleman to tour, collecting fine art and sampling the local prostitutes, where his future wife will source her cooks and hairdressers. The Brexit where a gentleman’s younger son might choose to farm in Australia or Rhodesia. Where a hard working man of the middling sort might hope to make a respectable career in the Indian Civil Service. Where Northerners of the lower order are assured a lifetime’s work in a dark satanic mill and a sturdy southern yeoman could live a life of bucolic ease among his herds and flocks. The Brexit where Irishmen know their place - in the other ranks of the army, and an American’s role is to provide support as directed. The Brexit where if Johnny Foreigner gets out of line then the matter is simply resolved by the dispatch of a gunboat to the Yangtse, Zambesi or Plate as required.
The Brexit where a third of the world would somehow be marked pink on the map again - that Brexit is dead and this is its funeral. There is no future in England’s dreaming.
So, that’s a “No” from the DUP …
…and the ERG…
Do we think the margin is going to be even higher this time?
I don’t disagree. But the trouble is, it won’t lie down. The Rees-Moggs of this world will go on dreaming, just as their predecessors in the League of Empire Loyalists did sixty years ago, and will go on making life hell (with the aid of bandwagon-jumping self-promoters like Boris Johnson) for any Tory leader who tries to engage with the real world on anything like mutually comprehensible terms. Until, that is, some leader or another has their Robert Peel moment (I wouldn’t place any money that being Theresa May, nor on Johnson becoming a new Disraeli in 20 years’ time).
I think its defeat will be narrower as there’s already signals of some MPs who rejected it in January now throwing up their hands and supporting it.
But the question is, really, what happens tomorrow with the no deal/extension votes.
And how the EU reacts to them.
The interesting thing about the debate currently taking place in the Commons, is that the chamber is almost empty. Only a handful of MPs have even bothered to show up for the debate. They’ll come in later for the vote, of course. But it seems there’s nothing more to say, and they already know which way they’ll vote. The outcome is not in doubt. May will lose, but by a smaller margin.
The crucial votes will be tomorrow. Those who want a new referendum will start pushing strongly for it. If there is a vote against no-deal, for an extension of A50, and for a new referendum, it’s difficult to see how May can hang on much longer, even if another formal vote of no-confidence can’t take place so soon after the last one.
I’m fairly sure there can be a vote of no confidence in the Government brought by the Opposition at any time, but not one by the Tory party in May as leader. Not sure which you were referring to, and this came up in another discussion I had recently.
She can’t be challenged for the leadership of the Conservative party at the moment (she got a year’s grace after the last one in December 2018), but there’s nothing to prevent a vote of no-confidence in her Government. If the Leader of the Opposition called for one, it would happen very quickly.
But the opposition still wouldn’t be able to win a vote of no confidence in the government (unless more Tory MPs leave the party).
Theresa May, however, may still ‘have to’ resign if her policies are totally discredited, even though she can’t formally be forced out.
The next couple of weeks will be interesting.
How does one become the leader of a party?
I recall in the recent Churchill film, MP seem rather disappointed that they will pick Churchill as PM.
Different parties have different rules, but basically the leader is selected by the party according to its constitution.
242 for
391 against
The noes have it, by a majority of 149.
Positive news for May - that’s only the fourth largest government defeat in history!
I’ve got a question about the upcoming vote about no deal. What exactly does it do, besides perhaps showing that the majority of Parliament is against no deal? Absent anything else passing, or any extension by the EU, there is still going to be a hard Brexit, right?
So next will be a vote on a No-Deal on tomorrow I can’t see many MPs voting for that.
On Thursday they vote for extending Article 50.
I guess it is up to May to suggest how long this might be and the EU will have to agree with her suggestion.
The failure of her Brexit deal is probably the end for May. She does not have the support of her party.
They will turn on her. What did she once call her own party? ‘The nasty party’. She knows what is coming.
The Article 50 extension would have to by several months for the Tories to elect a new leader with a better plan.
Who next for this poison chalice?:dubious:
And if the EU says “You’ve had plenty of time, no extensions”, then what?
Is there any path to a new referendum, or some other means of stopping Brexit? What would that path consist of?
The upcoming motions are amendable, and the Speaker has indicated that he is amenable to the House shaping what happens via amendment. The Government has clearly lost control of the process.
They need the EU to approve an extension of the deadline and parliament to vote to hold a referendum. I have seen some suggestions that the current default is to exit without a deal, and that parliament could vote to change the default to remain. That would be a tough vote, though, I think.
What on earth is Corbyn’s game suggesting a general election instead of a second referendum? He can’t possibly think that inheriting this mess will work out well for him or labour.
The EU has already said they are open to an extension. They also don’t want a no-deal brexit. It would be damaging to a number of EU countries as well as the UK.