What will the UK do wrt Brexit?

Actually, the one person I sympathise with the most is Theresa May, who herself voted to Remain, IIRC, yet was put in a position to handle the Brexit storm that Cameron brought upon them.

As far as pursuing a harder Brexit than the Norway/Switzerland model, that’s because it was very clear she would never get her own party’s support for it, that would be dead in the water.

Given the constraints put upon her, I think her Brexit deal really was the best compromise on all fronts that was ever going to be accepted by the EU.

The “have our cake and eat it, too” option that Boris Johnson talked about but never specified, what was that exactly? Free movement of Britons into Europe but not vice versa, free movement of goods from Europe but only as selectively deemed by the UK, and Ireland would agree to follow suit on whatever the UK specified?

The more I look at what Johnson et al. “really meant” it’s clear they didn’t think about NI at all, so would they take a trade of leaving NI to the EU domain and to hell with the DUP in exchange for getting everything else in the May Brexit deal - maybe even some more sweeteners from the EU? Because that’s really what the May deal is, right, let’s all stop pretending a “backstop” in NI would ever end until N years down the road when a referendum is called that has them joining the Republic anyway?

But then, I read that even NI and the Republic wouldn’t necessarily want that to happen, since the NI economy actually benefits enormously from a subsidy from Westminster that would presumably end under such a scenario.

And of course, part of the Brexit sentiment is the desire to restore a sense of Empire, and actually shrinking as a result of Brexit goes against that, doesn’t it?

Man, is this whole thing verkakte.

Amendment passes 312-308

Spelman passes by 4 votes!

I know it was discussed before, but what real effect does this amendment have?

It’s yet another defeat for May. And for the hardcore Brexiteers who were still hoping for a no-deal exit by default.

It puts serious pressure on parliament now to come up with an alternative.

MPs are planning a series of votes on a number of different options next week - whether May likes it or not.

Group of MPs plan to force indicative votes on Brexit options

164-374. 2nd Amendment defeated. UNLOCK!

The Malthouse amendment didn’t have a hope of passing. 334 - 164 against.

Things are moving at breakneck speed tonight. The Govt might now whip against its own now-amended motion. If so, ministers will resign. Let’s see!

You Brits. You speak English, but really need a lot of work on it. :slight_smile:

What practical different did the 1st amendment make such that the government now wants to scuttle the whole thing?

Would the PM resign?

Govt motion was specific to leaving on 29th March. First amendment removed that specificity, so govt is now imposing a whip.

Can someone explain what’s going on? Or is there a handy link that sums up the current situation?

Personally, I’m following it via The Guardian’s live feed of updates and commentary, and following about 60% of it:

Thanks! Looks crazy.

What does it mean that the “govt is whipping the ministers to vote against their own motion”? What happens if the ministers resign?

321-278…adopted.

Can May really continue to govern?

What was adopted?

Yet another defeat for May! Despite her unbelievable about-turn.

Oh I see, a second vote barring a no-deal Brexit. Why did they have to vote for it a 2nd time?

It means that the government is ordering its MPs to vote in a particular way - in this case, against the amended motion that the government itself proposed.

There’s no formal consequence of ministers resigning - in theory the PM just appoints new ones. But a mass resignation from the government does not demonstrate deep confidence and trust in her.