I’m not a compromise-friendly person. Especially when I’m absolutely right, and they’re being wilfully ignorant, or worse.
And I mean, that’s the ONLY POINT of a parliamentary monarchy to behin with : to steer popular stupidity to a grinding halt. To let the monarch say “yeah, ok, no, just… no. You’re being dangerous idiots and you know it and that won’t fly in Queenie’s backyard”. That one plus is paid for very heavily, too. If she doesn’t do that, and if Nigel Farage isn’t fed to a pack of hungry adorable furry potatoes, what the fuck is that all *about *?
How has the EU made it effectively impossible for the UK to revoke Article 50? I’m not in favour of it, but all it would take is a vote by Parliament and a letter from the government. For that matter, if May resigns, a caretaker leader could probably do the revocation unilaterally using the motion to reject No Deal and failure to pass a withdrawal agreement as justification.
Farage was being fed to a pack of hungry potatoes earlier today. It’s called the EU parliament. He was asked why he wasn’t walking in the rain and compared to Blackadder’s General Haig. Sounded like he gave back as good as he got.
By refusing to allow a long enough extension to enable a public vote on the issue. It won’t be revoked without a referendum or general election, as revoking it is permanent. The EU needs to either extend article 50 and shut up about European elections, or make it very clear that the UK would not be penalised for revoking then retriggering Article 50.
Then you are the problem, and the reason so many people here hate the EU. You are no better that Rees-Mogg, or Trump for that matter.
Not only is that not the ONLY POINT of a constitutional monarchy, it is not a point of it at all. Your complete failure to understand the British political system should be enough to stop you commenting in this thread, although if the EU as a whole is similarly ignorant it would explain why they keep failing on their half of striking a deal.
Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. I very much doubt your president takes no salary.
Monarchs killing politicians is not a good thing, regardless of what they stand for. Maybe have a little look at your own history (I remember you being French, correct me if I’m wrong).
For fucks sake. It still can offer enough time, but only if the UK is prepared to actually hold one.
What happens if the EU unilaterally offers tons of time and the U.k opts not to have one, and just runs down the clock again in its internal political civil war?
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Nothing much happens. The UK remains in the EU, crisis is postponed, people get on with their lives, and we wait until 2022. It’s far from an optimal solution, but - like just about anything else - it is better foe everyone that leaving, especially leaving with no deal.
I understand you don’t give a fuck about the UK, that’s reasonable, and I’d probably feel the same way. What I don’t get is why you are so eager to harm the rest of the EU, including the millions of (non-British) EU citizens living in the UK.
The only reason that makes sense is the hope that harming the UK will strengthen the desire of other countries to stay in the union. But harming your citizens to hold on to power is, to put it very mildly, not a good thing. It is why so many people are angry at May, and kit should not be the example others follow.
Answering the second part first, it’s very clear that the UK can revoke Article 50 without penalty. Unless being pointed at and laughed at, and called a time waster is a penalty. There’s some question on if the UK would be able to re-invoke Article 50 in the near term. But that’s because Article 50 shouldn’t be used as a prop in some unfathomable in-out dance.
As for requesting an extension to allow for a referendum or a general election, the EU is still allowing that. However, they’ve set a deadline - April 12. The UK needs to present a plan and ask for a sufficiently long extension by then, or a No-Deal withdrawal will happen. Yeah, the EU will require the UK to take part in the EU Parliament elections. That really doesn’t strike me as a harsh penalty.
Go fuck yourself. There’s little more important to me than the Uk, but I’m not so self-centred as to think the whole world should indulge our national delusion.
Why, please, why should the EU indefinitely extend Brexit negotiations until the UK makes an agreement, when after three years (47?) it hasn’t been able to make up its mind within the Cabinet, let alone the Tory party, let alone the government, let alone Parliament, let alone the country.
It’s the EU setting a firm deadline of two weeks from now which has allowed Parliament to grow some stones and take control to make a softer Brexit or cancellation actually possible.
Probably not, no, but everyone’s so bloody fed up with it all now I think that those who do will be firmly told to shut up forever by the rest of the country. Same goes for Brexiters.
Won’t happen under May’s Deal or No Deal though, as the country will be actively flushed down the toilet.
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Charming. Anyway, it has nothing to do with indulging the UK, and everything to do with the EU not harming itself just to harm the UK more. It is fucking stupid behaviour, as stupid as the behaviour of the UK and with even less justification.
They should do it to try to ensure the UK doesn’t leave, and if it does, that it does so in the least painful way possible.
A softer Brexit? The EU has made it quite clear they will not negotiate such a thing, they have made it politically impossible for Article 50 to be rescinded, and are requiring the UK to go against its usual political processes without being willing to do the same - for example, by not making the European elections a big deal.
They are not mutually exclusive, but once again that is not the point. The EU is harming itself instead of acting to prevent harm to both itself and the UK. I don’t understand why people aren’t up in arms about this, why there aren’t millions of people in Europe marching and signing petitions to prevent it.
UK: We hate the EU because you guys make us bend over backwards to do what you want and we’re tired of it! This “union” isn’t worth all the aggravation we have to put up with in order to stay together! We’re leaving you! EU: Okay. UK: This is our official notification! Two years from now we’re gonna quit your little club and you won’t be able to boss us around any more! EU: Okay.
Two years less two weeks later:
UK: We’re not quite ready to leave yet! We want to postpone the official breakup date! EU: Okay, but you’ve had nearly two years to decide what you want, and you can’t keep us hanging around indefinitely. If you give us an actual procedure for the breakup then you can have another two months to implement it, but if you just keep on stalling then we’re only going to wait another two weeks. You said you wanted to leave, so leave. UK: Why, you meanies! Don’t you realize that it’s worth putting up with some aggravation in order for us to stay together? This is why we hate the EU, because you won’t bend over backwards to do what we want! EU: :rolleyes:
Honestly, Steophan, your rhetoric is not making the UK as a body look any less immature and petulant here.
Well, I may be just a dumb Yank, but I don’t see any “copying” here. The EU have made up their minds and given you a clear choice of options, which is something the UK doesn’t seem able to do for love nor money. Moaning that they ought to step in and unilaterally save you from your own failure of self-governance seems to me like just further ducking your own responsibilities.