As a society we legislate against things that cause harm. Granted that is a super broad definition (does eating a Big Mac cause harm?) but generally that is the idea.
So, if you want to legislate against pornography and step on free speech you need to show that some harm is occurring which makes it a state interest to restrict it.
I am unaware of the supposed harm that pornography causes. We have shown earlier in this thread that the evidence suggests greater access to pornography has reduced sexual crime rates.
If someone is an adult and chooses to participate in the porn industry then why shouldn’t they be allowed to? Who is hurt by it?
This of course in no way suggests things like child porn should be acceptable. Clearly there is a harm being done to the child and the child is in no way capable of making an informed and free decision to participate. It is entirely appropriate to make such things illegal.
Regular porn by adults and for adults is fine. If you do not like it do not be a consumer of it. It is easily avoided if you want no part of it.
I know a lot of men that look at porn. Why? They like seeing naked chicks, of course.
Rape isn’t about seeing a naked chick, it’s about having power over someone else and hurting them.
Can any man reading this thread say that if porn were outlawed he’d be overcome and would simply have to go out and rape because there was no more Redtube to jerk off to? Of course not – because you’re not rapists and porn or no porn, that’s not gonna change. (If your answer is yes – you need a therapist, fast.)
There may be good reasons to keep porn around but the “but but but it reduces crime” argument just doesn’t hold water, unless you’re willing to outright say that a large percentage of men would turn into rapists without it.
I agree with you, most men are not rapists just one pornotube video away from committing a crime. But of those men that ARE rapists, or who MIGHT be rapists, could the ready availability of porn not be a means of allowing them to just rub one out and watch some TV when they get bad urges, rather than hurt women? I mean, what have YOU got to counter those rather remarkable stats about rape going down as porn gets available? Granted, correlation does not demonstrate causation, but what would you say if you allowed porn to be legislated into unattainability, or something like it, and the rape stats then go through the roof? “Sorry ladies … I really thought that wouldn’t happen” might not cut very much ice with women who’ve been raped.
Yes and the fact it hasn’t been addressed makes me even more suspicious.
That would be 2-0 to Confused dart cum if proven, I am already on record (to a mod and another poster, as well as anyone who saw my comment in the thread before I removed it) as saying that NotOkay was the world’s most obvious troll.
That’s political dogma, not reality. And it makes little sense except in the context of the conspiracy-theory view of society that everything men do is about oppressing women. After all, if you claim that rape is about power, then as a direct implication you are claiming that there’s no such thing as a ruthless man who just takes what he wants by force; he has to have an agenda against women. You are in essence claiming that either no matter how ruthless and sexually frustrated a man is he won’t commit rape unless he has an anti-woman political agenda, or that an anti-woman political agenda is universal among men.
I doubt many would say so, or think it of themselves. But then a few years or decades of sexual frustration would likely produce different people. Judging from the crime statistics, some would.
Regarding pornography and rape, the most I think we can conclude from the statistical evidence - bearing in mind, as has been acknowledged, that correlation doesn’t equal causation - is that there’s good reason to doubt pornography makes the rape problem worse. As I read it, that’s the conclusion of Furguson & Hartley in their 2009 review article (pdf) on the subject,* the only good one publicly available that I could find with a fair amount of googling. To go further and make the affirmative claim is more than we can justify with currently-available research tools.
Note the pdf is watermarked as “uncorrected proof,” but it’s presented on Furguson’s Texas A&M webpage, so I think we can assume it accurately reflects his views. The final version is available online, but only by subscription.
The only harmful effect of banning pornography is that it would deny those who enjoy it a means of enjoyment.
Whether or not banning pornography would have good effects remains an unsettled issue despite decades of debate over the issue. It would not bother me if they got rid of the hard core stuff, but I do like erotic art.
All violent crimes have declined since 1992. That is because of the increase in the prison population and because the Roe v. Wade decision has lead to the abortions of millions of potential violent criminals. I doubt internet pornography has reduced rape, but I would be interested in a study of the topic.
What I suspect is that those who become addicted to pornography sometimes develop the attitude that a varied, satisfying sex life is a basic right that they have been unfairly denied, and that rape is a legitimate way of rectifying the injustice.
Besides the fact that the law would be difficult to effectively enforce, Jews run the pornography business. It also happens that they make up the majority of the United States of America’s government while making up 2% of the total population. I doubt they would even enforce a law that would affect their own people.
It is a suspicion, rather than something I can document. It is difficult to do a dispassionate study of what arouses emotions.
One either likes pornography or one does not. Many who do not particularly like pornography dislike censorship more. That is why it is difficult to determine the effect pornography has on behavior. People begin a study of that with the desire to arrive at certain conclusions.
I think that if you look up Bonobos or Chimpanzees, the desire for lots of gratuitous sex is probably as close to nature as humans come in our daily life. Everything else that we do are unnatural practices, pushed on us by people who advocate reason and social betterment.
