What would it take for Bernie Sanders to get the nomination?

I know this is a very popular narrative in some parts, that Sanders has gotten where he is because he appeals to the people who are most in need of help (what you refer to as the “lower classes”).

The problem is that the data doesn’t support that narrative.

CNN has done (or gathered, not sure which) exit and entrance poll information on 20 of the Democratic primaries and caucuses thus far. The data for Virginia is here (2016 Election Center – Presidential Primaries and Caucuses – 2016 Election Center – CNNPolitics.com); you can use that page easily enough to find the others.

It’s interesting to look at two breakdowns in particular.

The first is income levels. The two most interesting categories for our purposes are the ones at the left and right ends: voters who earn under $30K a year, and voters who earn more than $100K. If Sanders’s success is because the lower classes are suffering, we would expect him to do extremely well among the <$30K crowd and much more poorly among those with six-figure incomes. In a race that was pretty much a tie, we’d expect to see Sanders winning the poorest voters by a lot and losing the richest voters by about the same amount; in a race where Sanders did well, we’d expect to see him winning both groups, but especially the poorest voters; you get the idea.

So is that what we get? Not exactly. In 11 of the 20 states, by my count, Sanders did do better among the poorest voters than among the wealthiest. In Iowa, for instance, he lost the wealthiest voters by a 55-37 margin while winning the poorest 57 to 41. But the margins weren’t usually that big: in OK he won the wealthiest voters 49-46 and the poorest 54-44.

And in 9 of the 20 states, the reverse was true. In Ohio, Clinton barely won the richest voters (51-49) but won the poorest by 21 points, 59-38. The differences in Florida, South Carolina, and Illinois are even starker. Given that the four most populous states for which we have exit poll data (TX, FL, IL, and OH) are all in this group, it seems likely that overall there’s little or no difference: Sanders is winning the poorest voters to about the same degree as he’s winning the richest.

So it’s a wash, at best, for Sanders in this metric. Not a ringing endorsement of the idea that this is a campaign driven by the suffering of the lower classes. (Unless, of course, you want to assume that people are voting against their own interests and it’s their own damn fault that they don’t know what’s best for them. I suppose you can make that argument if you want to; I’ve seen it here on this board. I think it’s an elitist, condescending argument, but you can make it.)

Well, but of course income is only one part of being lower class: education is another. So we can do the same thing there, thanks to the CNN level-of-education breakdowns. Again, we can look at both ends of the spectrum: those with a high school education at most, and those who have done post-graduate work. And this time, when we compare which of the two candidates was preferred by each group, we get…

…Sanders doing (relatively) better among no-college voters, compared to post-graduate voters, in 8 out of the 20 states. In Nevada, for instance, he split the least educated group 49-49 with Clinton, but lost the most educated voters pretty decisively, 62 for Clinton and 35 for Sanders.

But in the other 12 states, Sanders did *better *among the most educated voters than he did among the least educated. In Missouri he lost the graduate crowd barely, 51-49, while losing badly, 62-37, among those who hadn’t been to college. And again, most of the most populous states are ones in which Sanders did better among the very well educated than among the least well educated. --It’s really difficult to argue that Sanders has been more attractive to poorly educated voters than he has to people with graduate degrees.

TL;DR: The data shows that people of the lowest educational background and the lowest income levels are no more likely to vote for Sanders than people at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Now, sure, there may be some problems with the data. Maybe I copied down some of the figures wrong; you’re welcome to check. Some of Sanders’s best states aren’t included here, though it’s hard to see why the breakdowns in MN, say, would be all that different from the breakdowns in Illinois, Iowa, or Michigan. And exit polling is inexact. Maybe there’s some other trove of data out there that does a better job of determining the relative popularity of Sanders among these groups. And maybe–maybe–that data wouldn’t show that actual lower-class people are finding Clinton to be just as good a choice as Sanders, if not more so.

But the exit polls paint a pretty clear picture, and that picture is this: Sanders doesn’t have any special appeal to people of “the lower class.” He’s at least as popular among the privileged. If Sanders’s campaign is being driven by the suffering of the lower classes, the people in that category don’t seem to have noticed.

Dodged a bullet or maybe Sanders is not as much of a disloyal, party ruining bastard as you continue to freak about?

I have no reason to believe that Sanders thinks the country would be better off if Clinton loses in the general election.

Ulf, great analysis. Add that to the fact that they have done so poorly with people of color, and it’s got to be a little awkward and embarrassing for Bernheads. They would so love it to be a coalition of enlightened college kids with the working class and minorities, rising up against the privileged elite. But that is not quite what is happening.

If you look at that article, he started off with the instinct of not wanting to tear down Hillary. I remember that. And I appreciated it at the time. I don’t think you’ll find posts from me from last fall trashing Bernie. It is when he started deciding to go negative in 2016 that I became increasingly irked. Particularly with stuff like this bogus fossil fuels charge which understandably got Hillary so irate. And once he says it, it is gospel for a lot of people. I have shown people the “three Pinocchios” rating on that, and they just act like FOX News viewers and refuse to accept it.

Someone please tell me how that helps progressivism or the Democratic Party at all.

That screen involves calling people and asking them questions. Lots of people do not understand what a closed primary is, particularly people that don’t regularly vote in primaries (or in New York where they can’t) independents.

The methodology varies by poll, some do use voter registration lists which sometimes a pollster will have access to; but it varies. Like the most recent poll that FiveThirtyEight uses for New York is a YouGov poll that is pulled from a combination of registered voter lists and a large panel of volunteer poll respondents (with no explanation as to how, if at all, they are vetted.)

The Quinnipiac Poll from a little earlier doesn’t explain its methodology in determining likely voters at all. Sometimes they simply start the phone call with a series of questions, “Do you plan to vote in the primary on x date?” “Are you a registered Democrat or Republican?”

Hard to imagine it’s helping a candidate whose brand is based on probity that he is repeatedly being called on the carpet for dishonesty. First he got three Pinocchios for the allegation that Hillary gets major funding from the fossil fuel industry; now he got the maximum four for falsely insisting he had released his tax returns: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/

Whatcha hidin’, Bern?

When it comes to direct criticism of the spouse, yes.

When it comes to pointing out a conflict of interest, it might or might not be a good idea, strategically. But I don’t think that’s morally wrong.

P.M. Carpenter reacts to the Sanders hindsight article seeing a silver lining to Bernie’s compromise of his own principles: Bernie, looking backward

It’s a bit different in any race with Hillary Clinton, as you KNOW her spouse is going to be the target of tons of attacks vs. any Republican nominee.

Looks like Mr. Sanders took Wisconsin by 13, which was higher than expected but not quite as much as he needed, according to 538.

It could be problematic if the primary process ends up with Bernie really close. A lot of people could be irked if it looks like Ms. Clinton won the nomination solely on the backs of the superdelegates. But probably not irked enough to abandon her and let a Republican nightmare (sorry for the redundancy) win the WH.

By “really close”, you mean Hillary still has the majority of votes and pledged delegates? Why would that be a problem? That would not qualify as “solely on the backs of the superdelegates”.

I’m confused by people who seem to think superdelegates are legitimate when they back one candidate and illegitimate if they back another.

Unlike the Rs, the Ds rules are fairly clear, fairly logical, and not subject to massive revision after the primaries and before the convention.

Superdelegates are part of the landscape. And have been for more than one election cycle before this one. Nobody should act surprised about how they operate.

No candidate is obligated to achieve their majority considering only pledged delegates.

To be sure, the optics of one candidate leading in pledged delegates and the other leading in superdelegates looks a bit funny. But only to somebody who hasn’t been paying attention and is ignorant of the rules of the game they are playing.

Any primary system other than a pure nationwide popular vote total taken on a single day values some people’s votes more than others.

So the idea that total pledged delegates ought to be the standard has two defects: 1) It isn’t the current rules. If you want to change the rules, get working on that for 2020. 2) It doesn’t really solve the problem you have of unequal voting. Arguably it doesn’t even make it better.

Not by the formal rules, sure. But you recognize that it would be a political problem if they did not.

To the majority of the general electorate, in other words.

Some people seem to think that superdelegates aren’t legitimate, because some superdelegates who are supporting Clinton have started being harassed by Sanders supporters about how they should switch their support. Here’s one article about it:

And a Sanders supporter actually made a “hit list” blog, including addresses:

Getting more superdelegates would help Sanders, but it is troubling how his supporters are going about it and sad that Sanders isn’t discouraging it. But the way they are going about it seems like it might backfire, because I’ve read in some comments that some delegates go from leaning a bit towards Clinton to becoming very much anti-Sanders after being around the super diehard crazy Sanders supporters. Obviously not all Sanders supporters are crazy, but those that are harassing and threatening delegates obviously are.

The thing is, there isn’t a candidate leading in pledged delegates and trailing in superdelegates.

I’m intrigued about what principled intellectual argument Sanders could actually use to convince superdelegates to switch away from the candidate who so far has been the people’s choice as well as their own. I do know how loudly his more ardent supporters would be howling if the names were reversed.

Harassing the superdelegates is a bad and stupid tactic, but they clearly are part of a system intended to make the Democratic system less small D democratic and more corruptible.

Well so are caucuses, but no one is talking about blowing them up.

Nor is there going to be. Hillary is going to end up winning pledged delegates, super delegates, and the popular vote. There is going to be zero issues with her nomination.