What's In A Name?

The original title of this thread was “Big self-indulgent bloated boring wall of text,” but the board rules say I oughtta have more descriptive thread titles, so I hereby respectfully comply.

So if y’have a hard time with walls of text, do find another thread. 'Cause I’m gonna talk about my name now.

Names are important. Names have power. Names help us to define ourselves. One should take names seriously. By the same token, it is said that to hold someone’s name is to hold power over them.

Boy, is this true. One of the quickest ways to start somethin’ with another human is to make fun of his name, particularly upon first meeting that person.
From the movie “REPO MAN:”

“So what’s your name?”

“Otto.”

“Otto? Otto WHAT? Otto PARTS? HAHAHAHAHA!”

In only two lines, we have established that this individual is an ass, and deserves to die somewhere in the third reel of the film. Simple, yes?

Giving someone a hard time about his name is pure, unadorned cruelty. The vast majority of us did not choose our names, and if we had, we would likely not have chosen the label our parents hung on us. This is as true of me as anyone.

My middle name is “Kirk.” It is the name I use most often. My close friends and girlfriend call me that, as does anyone who knows me reasonably well. People who DON’T know me well use my FIRST name, which is on my driver’s license and my credit cards, but ONLY there… it’s my FORMAL name, I guess. I don’t use it much, except at work. If you know me at all in person, in any informal capacity, you call me “Kirk.” If someone I don’t recognize calls me by my FIRST name, I know that I either worked with him at some point, or he’s a salesman working off a list.

It’s a handy thing.

(…unless you know me only from the internet. Then I’m “Master Wang-Ka,” or “Doc Bedlam,” on boards which won’t let me get away with that one. Which works fine for me, and calling me that marks you as a member of yet another rather small and exclusive club.)

My parents named me Kirk because a branch of Dad’s family had “Kirk” as a surname, and there were a scattering of “Kirks” on Mom’s side, as well. Amusingly enough, in Auld English, it means “church.”

A few years after my birth, a TV show made the name famous. You might remember it – “Star Trek.” It hung the prefix “Captain” in front of my name, and made it a household word. It also generated a joke that I would hear many, many, many, MANY times as I grew up. The joke was made upon making polite introductions, and was triggered upon hearing my name. The joke was “Captain KIRK! Hey, it’s CAPTAIN KIRK! Hyuk-yuk-yuk! Hey, CAPTAIN KIRK! Where’s MISTER SPOCK? Hyuk!”

I didn’t much care for this joke. It wasn’t funny the first time, and after several hundred iterations, it gets SERIOUSLY abrasive. Furthermore, some people who fling this non-sequitur in your face actually expect you to ANSWER it. Where IS Mr. Spock?

I remember grown men making this joke when I was all of six or seven. What made it worse was that I did not watch “Star Trek” when it was on the air; I discovered it in reruns when I was around ten or eleven. I was much more a “Gilligan’s Island” kind of guy as a small child. This meant that I did not GET the joke, and having a grown man or woman shout it at me was somewhat akin to a stranger, upon learning YOUR name, scream “BOB! AHAHAHAHA! Your name is BOB! AHAHA! PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER! AHAHAHAHAHA!”

It wasn’t funny. It was vaguely threatening. Until I learned about the TV show, it was confusing. It left me completely out of the loop, feeling somewhat patronized, ridiculed, and not so good.

This is where I encountered the NEXT kind of person who makes this joke – the kind of person who becomes riled because you do not find the joke funny. “What, you can’t take a joke? What the hell’s wrong with YOU?”

Well, it might have to do with the fact that I’ve heard that joke before. Hundreds of times, literally. Or perhaps my problem has something to do with the chump who just laughed in my face and openly and publicly ridiculed me in front of others, immediately upon meeting me. If the first thing I had done when YOU introduced yourself was to laugh and ridicule YOU, what would YOU have done?

In my teen years, this actually led to a couple of shoving matches with people who found my lack of humor openly offensive… and my willingness to explain this lack of humor doubly so. In their view, anyone with such an amusing name should be willing to indulge anyone who wished to make fun of it, and my failure to do so was a very offensive denial of my destiny as a public clown. I should either accept the joke and laugh with it every time as if I’d never heard it before, or CHANGE my name, for the convenience of those who might otherwise choose to make a joke of it, if I was going to be such a poor sport.

(now that I think about it, I once reacted by laughing uproariously and going on at great, laughingly sarcastic length about how I had never once, in all my life, ever, ever, EVER heard anyone make that joke before, and how original and witty the joke was, and I just couldn’t stop laughing at this incredible, witty, terribly original joke that no one else had EVER thought of and thrown in my face before… the evening did not go well. I’d hurt the poor guy’s feelings, by making an *ugly, hurtful *joke out of his innocent, harmless joke)

Over time, though, I mellowed. I actually began to like my name… it wasn’t a bad name, and it did act as a kind of automatic asshole detector. Anyone who made the “Captain Kirk” joke upon meeting me was certainly not someone I would trust with anything delicate or diplomatic, and anyone who frowned over my lack of hilarity was certainly not someone I’d loan five bucks or my car keys. My name served a very useful purpose!

In the eighties, the new “Star Trek Next Generation” show began, and soon nobody remembered “Captain Kirk” any more, and that was okay with me. My asshole detector did not function as well as it had, but it’s not like there aren’t many, many other ways to note the jerks in your vicinity.

But in recent years, you may have noticed that actor William Shatner’s making a comeback. He’s doing commercials, he’s got TV shows, he’s everywhere. Captain Kirk himself has bounced back!

And now, I look at the name I’ve had since my birth… once associated with a space hero dude… and now associated with a fat, vain, bald guy, a ham actor and attention whore with an ego the size of Baltimore.

Daaaang. Maybe the name IS more descriptive of me than I wanna admit…

Has anyone ELSE ever had this problem? I’m kinda curious.

My first name starts with M and my middle name T so of course I grew up being “Empty”. Always having been a little on the heavy side, it was sometimes used with a little cruel streak behind it. The thing is — I am kind of empty. Little fear, little concern over social customs, and little worry wasted over what people think of me. I approach strangers easily, I listen more than I talk (which my wife may argue but she’s a special case), and I enjoy learning other points of view if I agree with them or not. So maybe I am empty; but its been a Hell of a ride trying to fill it up.

My name is one of those.

The last time it happened, there was a moment of stunned silence and then the team manager asked “what are you, three? This is a workplace, adults only!” and actually gave the offender a timeout in the hallway “and no wandering down to the snacks machine or to the bathroom, any time I open the door I want to see you holding up the wall.”

My first name is Michelle - no big reveal, since I’ve shared that before. I didn’t like my name as a kid, and even less once I started school because there were 2 others (a Michelle and a Michèle, yes, she used the accent) in my class and I didn’t appreciate being linked to either. So I went by Mickey. Naturally, I dealt with “Mickey Mouse” far longer than was necessary. I eventually changed the spelling to Mickie, and by then, in middle/high school, Paul McCartney started singing my name, and I had to put up with that silliness.

One of my pet peeves is when certain people try to stick a nickname on you. The aforementioned Michèle decided she was clever in that capacity, and declared I should be called “Richie” - inspired by my last name. She’s the same nitwit who declared that the girl whose last name was Snyder would henceforth be called “Snydley” - not that anyone paid her any mind, but there you go. I had a driver’s ed teacher who thought it was funny to call me Mike. There have probably been others but I’ve managed to block them out. (Who am I kidding - I’m old - I forget things…)

There was one nickname I didn’t mind, tho. When I was in the Navy at my first squadron after training, I was assigned to the mid shift working on Pete’s team. (Pete was a nickname - his real name was Terry.) Pete was known for renaming the techs. Grant became “Stony” (because apparently, he looked like a Stony.) Valerie became “Suzy”, short for Suzy Homemaker, because of a prank one of the guys pulled on her one night (long story, had-to-be-there kinda thing.) And I became Fred. No, I’m really not sure why.

Traditionally, in the Navy, one is addressed by rank and surname or by nickname. My surname is Polish and while it’s quite simple to pronounce in the Anglicized version, people who look at it freak out because it doesn’t look quite right. At least I think that’s how it works. Anyway, one night, Pete and I were troubleshooting a particularly challenging non-acoustic system on an aircraft by swapping known good components for suspected bad ones. It seemed that everything we tried showed up as a different problem. Several times I said “Let’s change the power supply” to which the senior tech responded “It’s never the power supply!”

After about an hour, he allowed me to bring in a new power supply. Yep, I was right. And he was properly humbled and impressed. When we went back to the shop finish the paperwork, he was regaling the chief with a long-winded summary of our process, ending with “… and Fred here suggested we try the power supply…” And from then till I left the squadron about 2 years later, I was Fred. I still have a coffee mug that says Fred. Oh, and I’m still friends with Suzy - she works for a defense contractor in DC and we get together every 2 or 3 years.

So, um, what was the question?

Not to be argumentative but to give an opposing view, I’ve never cared about names; mine or anyone else’s, and can’t really understand where the OP is coming from. Of course, I’ve never been teased about my name. About plenty of other things, sure, but not my name. It’s quite often mispronounced (seriously, how the fuck else do you pronounce Shari) and almost always misspelled, and it never bothers me a whit.

Again, not trying to thread shit or be snarky; just commenting that as strongly as you feel about names I am just as strongly apathetic.

My maiden name was ethnic, but only 4 letters long. It’s a name you commonly see used in the name of a particular type of ethnic restaurant, yet no one ever seemed to get it right, either spelling or pronouncing it incorrectly. That used to bother me until I realized that once they got the pronounciation right, it then lent it itself to all sorts of easy insults. I basically gave up and let people call me whatever they wanted to, because it simply wasn’t worth the fight.

I have noticed with some people, even deep into middle age, those old insults still rankle. I’m glad I was able to deal with all of that and put it aside. Life throws us enough curve balls without having to dodge bullets because of our names.

On the other side of the debate, sometimes your name can push you toward your destiny. My dentist, whose last name is Toothaker, has said that so many people told him over the years that with his name he should be a dentist that somewhere along the line he decided to become one.

Everyone who has ever met me – either socially or professionally – calls me “Chuck.” Anyone using “Charles” is a salesman.

I used to get jokes as a kid. “What’s up, Chuck?” and then they’d laugh like they were being clever. I stopped it dead by saying, “Do you want to see?” and then make vomiting noises. No one’s tried that on me since high school.*

I also learned one rule: never make a joke about anyone’s name. They’ve heard it hundreds of times already.

For some reason, people often misspell my last name, changing the “-man” at the end to “-am.” I can’t begin to understand that; I could understand “-min” or “-mon,” but I’ve never seen those.

*It didn’t bother me much because when I was small, we had an outboard called the Upchuck.

Weirdly enough, I have met several women whose names are variants on what I would pronounce “Sherry.” I am aware of six variant spellings, and four variant pronunciations, at least one of which, as far as I can tell, is an excuse for the owner to snarl, “It is pronounced share-EE, thank you!” at everyone who fails to catch her private pronunciation on the first bounce.

And if you have not spent 25 years or more listening to people make the same tiresome joke about your name, I wouldn’t expect you to follow the reasoning. I emphasize that I am not trying to be rude or dismissive of you; far from it.

But if you weren’t there, well…

There have been any number of times when I was in a reasonably good mood with plenty of positive energy where someone giggled like an ass and said, “Hey, Captain KIRK! HAHAHA! Where’s Mr. SPOCK? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”

…and I smiled and changed the subject. When I was allowed to, that is. When the invididual in question didn’t say something akin to “No, NO! Yer CAPTAIN KIRK! Where’s MISTER SPOCK? WHERE IS HE, MAN? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!”

And depending on how positive my energy was, and how witty I was feeling, my answers would range from “He’s beamed up to the Enterprise, with Scotty and Lt. Uhura, (brainless grin and fervent wish this asshole would move on)” … to “Mr. Spock? He’s climbing in the window behind you … clutching a knife between his teeth.”

By the same token, there have also been any number of times that I was tired, or not in the best of moods, or not feeling as well as I might… and upon meeting a complete stranger, heard, once again, “Hyuk-yuk! You’re KIRK? You’re CAPTAIN KIRK? Where’s MISTER SPOCK? Hyuk!”

And on those occasions, it is at BEST an effort to remain civil. At least once, when I was less than genial about it, I was told, “Wul, JEEZ, if yer gonna be a DICK about it, whydoncha change yer NAME?”

So if you don’t really get it… well, good. I am glad your life seems to have had so few fools and obliviously offensive morons in it. I kind of envy you that…

My name is Richard, and have always been called Dick by family, partly to differentiate from my dad, who was “Rich”. It didn’t take me too many school days before preferring to being called Rich. Once I visited my dad at work, and he introduced me to his coworker as Dick. Response: “he looks like a dick!” Witty, am I right? It still irks me to this day that my dad laughed too :frowning:

…okay, I thought “Captain Kirk” was obvious and stupid, but yours takes the royal goddamn cupcake.

Seriously. **Master Wang-Ka’s **is somewhat annoying but dick jokes would become a real drag real fast.

I think about this all the time.

Not that there have been many “jokes” made about my name (It’s Doug, not much to do with that), but I’m always reminded of the passage from The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul where Susan talks about her friend that plays the double bass.

I keep that in mind and try to never make the obvious “joke”.

And you would be correct (and she is a beotch). Had her parents wanted people to call her share-EE they should have spelled it Cherie. My bf and all our aquaintances - because that’s how he introduces me - mispronounce my name shar-EE, but they all have British accents so somehow it’s not annoying. I’m thinking of people who pronounce it SHARRY so as to rhyme with starry. WTF? I still don’t correct them though, unless they ask me.

Yes.

For most of my life, people sing my name to me. Incorrectly.

They ask if I’m the first, or if I’m joyous.

On first introduction, I say my name correctly. I will then make sure to pronounce my own name again, correctly. 80% of the time, they’ll say it back incorrectly. 10% of the time, they’ll ask me why I’m mispronouncing my name. I’ll then explain the difference between the male and female pronunciation.

I’ve worked with people for 20 years, and they mispronounce my name the whole time.

As a child, it irked me greatly. In high school, it was frustrating. In college, annoying. Eventually, I just give up, smile, and realize people are going to screw it up no matter how many times I try.

Nowadays, I just ignore it. Eventually, they’ll get it right. Sometimes.

My last name is Chew. No, I am not Asian. Trust me, I know where the OP is coming from. Prior to 1977, it was all Choo-choo train and sneezing jokes. After 1977, it was all Wookie Jokes all the time. And every, single person thought they were the first one to think of it.

I’d learned how to say, “I’ve got your back, Han,” in Wookie. That usually shuts them up.

My eldest son is now getting teased about his name in middle school. I told him what my father told me. If the only thing they can think to tease you about is your name, they’re not too bright.

The other day, one of his teasers called out, “Hey Chew! Got any gum?” He stopped, held out his arms, and said, “You’re looking at this whole package, and the only thing you can come up with is ‘Got any gum?’ That’s just pathetic.” The other boy hasn’t said word boo since.

I will not reveal my name. However, it is a name that unfortunately can be twisted to be more than sexually suggestive. I used to have a commanding officer that during officer call would actually twist my name into real obscenities. Yeah, there are Colonels who never emotionally grow older than 14.

Anyway, I went to the base JAG and said, “Hey, the O-6 I work for is using the following words to make fun of my name. I don’t want to file a formal complaint, but I’m sick of it.”

The JAG (I swear) turned white, then he said, “You’ve told me, and if he ever does it again, come back here and I’ll take care of it.” Then I assume he went to the Col, told him he was an idiot, and the Col shut up about my name.

My motto, “Nobody crosses me twice.” (I have a couple of dozen stories about name issues. As I got older and meaner, and higher ranked they went away. I kind of miss the fun of metaphorically grinding someone’s ego into dust.)

I love you, Spahtacus.

My name is Mary Katherine. I rarely tell people my whole name because I’m so sick of them blaming me for everything the Catholic church has done wrong. I’m NOT the Pope, for crying out loud. I’m not a priest. I’m not even a practicing Catholic. I didn’t pick the name, just leave me the fuck alone about it. So, yeah, I get what people are saying about problems with names.

My surname starts with the three letters “Big…”. So I have heard every variation of substitutions of the rest of it, from big head to big foot. One guy at high school called me “Big-tool”, but then objected when I started using it as an advertisement …

My last name happens to be a variant of The Man In The Glass Booth’s. This leads to all sorts of comments from my students in AP Euro when we get to WW2. I’ve given up being offended - now I just fuck with them. When a student works up the courage to ask about the similarity in names, I get a grave expression on my face, stare at the student, and say "“Yes, the names are similar. I’ve had to live with that all my life, and it’s rather painful seeing as how a relative of mine died in a concentration camp.” (Cue agonized and embarrassed looks from the students.) (Three beat pause. As I turn away I state) “He tripped and fell out of a guard tower.”

Gets them every time! :smiley: