Interesting choice of words…
Use them often?
Kerry is to the right of Reeder.
Kucinich is to my right.
I said I greatly disagreed with his platform. Hell, Bush’s platform would appeal more to me than Kerry’s if he had any intention of adhering to it, and that’s saying a lot. When the lesser of two evils is that bad, I look for anything positive in the superficial details. As far as those go, Kerry’s trying to out-lackluster Gore.
Here’s a question I’d like to pose to all the Kerry-bashers on this thread: Was there any of the nine Democratic contenders for the nomination this year, whom you would have voted for, in preference to Bush?
Howard Dean
Excellent question, Brain Glutton. I’ve noticed a certain group of people who will admit Bush is not great but who, when Howard Dean was “ahead,” were saying that Dean is just too nutty…someone like Kerry is a more sensible alternative. Now that Kerry is the presumptive nominee, it turns out he is too liberal and flip-floppy. So, my guess is that for this group of people…i.e., those who are fairly conservative / libertarian and are not fond of Bush but are using any excuse they can find to vote for him anyway, the best Democrat is always one of them who is not actually the frontrunner.
Nice link, Hentor! I heartily recommend reading it.
It’s also worth reading how Brit Hume of Fox News lies with statistics!
Should we construe this to mean that if our conversation does not meet your standards, you will boycott? That we shall wander forlorn, bereft of your gentle and avuncular admonitions?
What must be, must be. It will be hard, at first. But I must admire a principled stand, however it may impoverish our discourse, however much we may crave the stern clarity so eagerly shared by friend Shodan.
So let it be written, so let it be done. Go with God, Shodan, and peace on you.
Day-um.
Is it raining sarcasm or what?
I see he’s gone from strawman to ad hominem. It’s the logical fallacies world tour, ladies and gentlemen.
To take this line of thought to its conclusion: For an outspoken group, the thing so wrong with Kerry is not that he is a democrat or liberal per se, but that he is a democrat who: will probably put GWB out of the Presidency.
That’s hardly a fair answer to the question now, is it?
And you are the tour guide.
Pot, kettle, smoking crack, hypocritical stupidity, whatever.
Yes, I occasionally use words like ‘of’, ‘your’, and ‘kind’. Which one was giving you difficulty?
Regards,
Shodan
US Presidential Candidates’ political orientations, as assessed by independent experts.
Kucinich is left wing, and Kerry sits to his right, but Kerry is still leftmost of the genuine contenders he beat.
The problem is that Bush’s Brain, Karl Rove, is a better campaigner. Who else would run campaign ads against a Democratic candidate during the primarys.
The GOP helped nominate him and this thread tells why.
Torturing animals? People demand advanced medicines but expect pharma companies to deliver them safe for human use, yet try and use lab animals to test them and you get protests up the wazoo. As if working under FDA, OSHA and NRA restrictions aren’t a nightmare as it is. Sheesh, not everybody can have their way, sometimes a nice comprimise would be appreciated. Are we going to get that with MORE regulation? Noooo. It’s going to be more tightrope walking, trying to comply with sometimes almost conflicting regulations and try and make a profit (but not too much, because Old Mr. Farnsworth somehow has an inalienable right to get medication that fits his budget).
I don’t like Kerry because he’s gong to make my life harder. That’s not what I want for me and my family.
Ah, I presume you work for the pharma tech industry?
Yea, that OSHA is a pain in the ass. Don’t know why we still have it.
I don’t think I ever said I wanted more regulations. In fact, I didn’t even know this was a hot-button issue right now. I really don’t recall any of the candidates mentioning animal rights at all. I was really just making a quip in response to Machetero’s? comment that he was against animal rights.
The main concern for me on the issue is the unneccessary testing of animals, especially by the cosmetics industry. But you seem to have very strong feelings about it, so I’d be curious to know exactly which regulations are preventing you from testing advanced medicines, and which medicines are permanently unavailable to the public due to inability to test them. If this regulation problem is really as egregious as you make it out to be, there must be a long list of excellent medications that the public is forever barred from using, right? Here’s your chance to get the word out.
Hmmm…that would explain why Kerry is all of a sudden “more liberal” than Kucinich :eek:, when that was clearly not true before the primaries. I can’t imagine that, had Kucinich somehow won the primaries, that Repulicans wouldn’t be citing his proposed “Department of Peace”, and positioning him somewhere to the left of Karl Marx.
But somehow, Kerry is now more liberal than that. Hilarious.
See, that’s the kind of one-size fits all response that is problematic. I work in a very atypical workplace and sometimes exceptions and exemptions might make things a bit easier, but too often the inflexibility of government regulations and organizations make that impossible. Christ, we have bald people who have to wear hair nets and OSHA has a fit about lead despite the fact we have gamma radiation all around. Which do you think is the worse of two evils? I’ll take limited lead exposure for less gamma exposure, thank you very much.