Whats the deal about Tuesday Politics

I live in Canada and wanted to try and understand this political thing for the President. For what reason I am not sure but I always like to try and learn as much as I can.
I know there are two parties the republicans and democrats and as an example if Bush wins then he runs against say Gore for the presidency?
Why don’t they just all run and let the people pick the person they want.
Here in Canada we vote for a party and the leader of that party becomes the Prime Minister although the guy that is the leader of the party may not be our choice.
I think the sad part about politics is that if the media didn’t cover it so much the people would vote for the person they want rather than vote for the person that gets the most approval from the media.
Personally I like McCain but don’t think he’ll get in but anything is possible.
So can someone give a rundown on how this works for the presdency.
Many thanks…


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This might not be a GQ, but if every candidate appeared on the ballot once, the winning candidate would end up with something like 20% of the vote. Also, because the US uses the Electoral College system to elect the president, multiple candidates won’t work out well as the decision would almost always end up in the House of Representatives as no one would win a majority of votes in the Electoral College.

If you tried to explain parliamentary democracy to the average American, they would be baffled. Changing to that system of government would also require a new Constitution which would be a real pain in the ass.

Anybody can run for President in the final election (assuming they meet some criteria, such as x signatures from each state). However, if someone runs as the candidate sponsored by one of the two major parties (Republicans/Democrats), they’ll get a very large political machine behind them, including (usually) the recommendation of all the candidates they beat in their own party in the preliminary elections.

We humans like to think we’re open-minded and independant thinking, but the reality is that most people tend to vote one party or the other. Kind of like buying peanut butter; you’ve always bought Gif, so the odds are good you’ll buy it the next time you need peanut butter. Sure, there are lots of exceptions, but having the backing of a brand like Republican or Democrat gives you a huge advantage over a third party.

One of the checks-and-balances of the U.S. system is the separate election of the President from Congress. In the Canadian (and other Parliamentary systems), votes elect Parliament and Parliament (effectively) elects the Prime Minister. Thus, the Canadians can never (well, hardly ever) have a situation where the Prime Minister’s party does not have a majority in Parliament.

In the U.S., on the other hand, we have often had the situation where the majority in Congress is of one party, and the President of another party. Helps limit the power of both.

Both Billie and Bob have given part of the answer. Here’s the longer version:

In the U.S., elections are done on a statewide basis, so it’s theoretically possible that a candidate for President can be on the ballot in some states, but not in others. Each state has its own requirements for getting on the ballot- usually a petition containing a specified number of signatures from registered voters, or of voters from a particular party.

While it is possible for a single person to scramble around and get all the necessary signatures, the requirements are sufficiently high that it is almost necessary for the person be affiliated with some sort of political party to provide the strength of numbers and organizational efforts to obtain the necessary signatures statewide.

Most states have four major political parties: Republican, Democrat, Conservative, although the latter often overlap with the former. In addition, many states have additional smaller political parties-- Socialists, “Right-to-Life,” Worker’s World, Libertarian, etc.-- that manage to get candidates on the ballot for some or all of the races in a given election. Few tend to win, however, because they simply don’t have the numbers behind them that the two main parties have.

As far as I know, each state allocates only one ballot position per race to a given political party. Therefore, in the race for President, the Republicans must pick one candidate to represent them, the Democrats must pick one, and so on. (In races where more than one seat is available, such as school boards or council seats, each party gets as many ballot positions as there are open seats.) Therefore, prior to each election, each political party has an internal election to decide which of several candidates they will run as their representative. These are the “primaries” that you see going on now. Nothing prevents someone who loses the primary election in their party from being selected as another party’s candidate-- for example, if McCain won the Republican nomination, the Conservative party might select Bush as their candidate, and both of them would appear on the presidential ballot in November. But typically, the strength is in the two major parties.

That being said, the popular vote in the U.S. doesn’t directly result in the selection of a president. Constitutionally, the president is elected by the Electoral College, which consists of several hundred delegates. When someone votes for president in the U.S., what they are actually voting for are delegates to the Electoral College representing their candidate. As far as I know, states are “winner take all” for delegates-- if Bush wins the popular vote in New York, all of New York’s E.C. delegates are appointed by him, and will (most likely) cast their electoral ballots for him. (The delegates are not legally bound to vote in the E.C. for the candidate they were appointed by, but obviouslly, most usually do.) A person must receive a majority of all electoral votes to become president. If there were a three-way split-- say because a third political party managed to win several states-- and nobody had a majority of electoral college votes, the top three candidates would be sent to the House of Representatives who would vote on who the winner is. Because the two main parties in the U.S. are so strong, no third party candidate has ever won a single state in a presidential race, so we’ve never had to even deal with this sitaution. Yet.

Because states are winner take all, it is possible for a candidate to lose the total popular vote but still win the electoral college vote. A candidate might win New York state, with, say, 30 electoral delegates by a single popular vote (let’s say 300-299), but lose Vermont, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts, who total, say, 29 electoral votes, by a landslide (let’s say 100-400). Since the candidate winning New York has more electoral college delegates, he or she will be the next president, even though 70% of the population voted for the other candidate. Weird, huh? It’s happened twice before: Rutheford Hayes lost to Samuel Tilden in 1876 by a few thousand popular votes but won by one vote in the E.C., and Benjamin Harrison split Grover Cleveland’s terms as president, even though Cleveland won the popular vote in that race by about 40,000 votes or so.

That’s U.S. Civics 101 for today. Read pp. 103-123 in “Land of Truth and Liberty” for tomorrow’s class. And remember, your term papers are due on Friday.

Oops-- forgot the fourth party most states have: Liberal. Buncha tree-huggin’ bleeding hearts…

I think the “Conservative” and “Liberal” parties are East Coast phenomena. In California, the parties on the ballot are: Democrat, Republican, Reform, Libertarian, Green, Natural Law and American Independent.

It’s a pretty wide political spectrum out here.

Danmb50:

The reason for the difference between the election of a President in the US and the selection of a Prime Minister in Canada is that the two countries don’t use the same system of government. The reason we select presidents now the way we do has to do with the history of selecting presidents in the past.

The people of the US do not select the President; the President is selected by the Electoral College. This institution was established to avoid popularity contests; the framers felt it better to let each state choose wise men to select the overall leader of the country. Washington was selected in the first two elections without any organized opposition.

In 1796, John Adams wanted to succede Washington as President, but so did Thomas Jefferson. More electors who pledged to elect Adams were chosen by the states, so in December they chose John Adams as President, as they had promised. Jefferson became Vice-President, per the original constitution. Adams and Jefferson were the supported by the two main groupings of movers and shakers who existed at the time (the beginnings of our parties).

In 1800, Jefferson and his running mate, Aaron Burr, obtained more electors than did Adams and his running mate. But the electors couldn’t decide between Jefferson and Burr; the tie vote between them from the Electoral College resulted in the House of Representatives breaking a tie for the first time; Jefferson won. As a result of the difficulty in the first two constested elections with avoiding anomolous results, the 12th Amendment was passed and ratified, forcing a seperate vote for Vice-President from President.

In 1824, John Quincy Adams, a Democrat-Republican (loosly the forerunner of the current Democratic Party) was involved in a four-way election for President. In this election, electors were chosen by popular vote. All the candidates were Democrat-Republicans (the Federalists were disorganized and the Whigs hadn’t quite yet gotten going). This is precisely the type of election you propose in your Original Post, and it was a disaster. None of the four candidates managed a majority of votes in the Electoral College, so, pursuant to the 12th Amendment, the election went to the House, where Adams was selected after the candidate who finished fourth (Henry Clay) cast his support to Adams. Clay was later named the Secretary of State, making the other two candidates claim his support had been bought. This was, I believe, the last time that a single party had more than one candidate for President.

After this, (starting in 1832) the parties held conventions to nominate their candidates for the office of President (the Anti-Masons actually held their first convention in 1831). Thereafter, while their might be (and often has been) more than two candidates, each candidate ran from a separate ‘party’ (the 1860 election had two Democratic Party candidates, the Democrats in the southern states refusing to accept the choice of the party and nominating their own candidate).

Thus, it is party politics that limits choice in November to two viable candidates for the office (sometimes three, e.g. 1912). While we might like to have more choice; the truth is that the playoff system of electing our president helps keep us from having to go to the House.

DSYoungEsq wrote

This is true. It’s not just to avoid popularity contests, though. There was (and is) a premise in the US that the states are independant entitites, each allowed to make their own rules and choose their own leaders. So, the states independantly choose their Electoral College delegates, who vote for the President. This “collection of states” concept is also apparent in the two legislative bodies, the House of Representatives, where each state has a number of members proportionate to it’s population, and the Senate, where each state has exactly two members. The concept of the Senate is that each state is equal, regardless of their size.

Here’s a http://www.time.com/time/daily/special/look/0,2633,37744,00.html with some info on US primary elections:

Oops. I’ve been holding my tongue about this god-awful ubb code thing… Here’s how that should’ve read:

Here’s a link with some info on US primary elections: